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| | | satch1961 | | Chaac |  | | Reg. Date | : | 27/09/2013 | | Posts | : | 583 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 20 May 2014 - 22:25 Post title : The Last Word On Coolant - Anti Freeze | | | Gentlemen,
After much research it can be confirmed that Zerex G-05 is the correct formula - or at least one correct formula- for our bikes. It is an HOAT (Hybrid Organic Acid Tecknology). I topped off my coolant tank the other day and went over 100 miles and the bike didn't explode. It is a clear formula - actually more opaque in color - same as dealer stock. It ain't blue, green or orange... check it out...
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| | | Chet_Manley | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 07/05/2014 | | Posts | : | 18 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 21 May 2014 - 16:44 Post title : Re: The Last Word On Coolant - Anti Freeze (Re: satch1961) | | | Good to know. I wonder if Ford's dark green HOAT coolant is the same as Triumph's. I have a jug from a previous car and may also do the explosion test.
https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/main/product.asp?product=Specialty%20Green%20Engine%20Coolant%20(Concentrated)&category=A/C%20and%20Engine%20Cooling%20Products
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,799 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 May 2014 - 01:19 Post title : Re: The Last Word On Coolant - Anti Freeze (Re: satch1961) | | | Zerex G-05 is what I've been using the last few years and is correct. Only problem: it's difficult to see the level in that lil' window. Color would help.
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| | | PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 May 2014 - 04:20 Post title : Re: The Last Word On Coolant - Anti Freeze (Re: satch1961) | | | Pro Honda HP Coolant (for motorcycles), pre-mixed; corrosion inhibitors with no silicates. Supposedly exactly the same as "Honda Coolant type 2" available at Honda car dealers at half the price. And it's blue.
A quart of the Pro Honda HP goes for about $12. A gallon of the Honda Coolant type 2 goes for about $20.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 22 May 2014 - 04:44 Post title : Re: The Last Word On Coolant - Anti Freeze (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | And a gallon of Prestone,which BTW,is what I put in my Bird at 50,000 miles,and works just as good as the HIGH PRICED stuff you guys are using,sells for 7 or 8 bucks a gallon.Dave!!!
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| | | satch1961 | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/09/2013 | | Posts | : | 583 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 22 May 2014 - 12:37 Post title : Re: The Last Word On Coolant - Anti Freeze (Re: davetac1) | | | Darnit Dave. Feduke will be pissed that we did not follow his advice and go to the stealer and buy their overpriced stuff. I will see him this evening and tell him that we ignored his counsel.  
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| | | EnGage | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 May 2014 - 15:06 Post title : Re: The Last Word On Coolant - Anti Freeze (Re: davetac1) | | |
davetac1 wrote:
And a gallon of Prestone,which BTW,is what I put in my Bird at 50,000 miles,and works just as good as the HIGH PRICED stuff you guys are using,sells for 7 or 8 bucks a gallon.Dave!!! |
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It looks like standard Prestone no longer uses silicates, but the traditional green anti-freeze uses silicates to protect the metal surfaces from being corroded. Silicates work well (its the stuff we grew up with), but only last a few years so if you are using a silicate-based anti-freeze, be sure to stick with the proper change interval.
I also used Zerex G-05 when I couldn't find the Triumph stuff. It is a HOAT formula and I assume it is OK to use.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,799 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 May 2014 - 17:56 Post title : Re: The Last Word On Coolant - Anti Freeze (Re: EnGage) | | | What you can't do is mix 'em. Flush system before changing types as there have been reports of mixed types producing a thickened, clogging goo.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 23 May 2014 - 11:24 Post title : Re: The Last Word On Coolant - Anti Freeze (Re: satch1961) | | |
satch1961 wrote:
Darnit Dave. Feduke will be pissed that we did not follow his advice and go to the stealer and buy their overpriced stuff. I will see him this evening and tell him that we ignored his counsel. |
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There's an old sayin: "A fool and his money are soon parted". So if that's what Mikey wants to do,then so be it.It's his money!!I know better.The red,orange,and pink stuff which unfortunately is what comes in just about all of your new motor vehicles built today as well as over the last 20 years or so,contains silicates and is environmentally friendly.The green and yellow stuff does and is, not.The difference is the red,orange,and pink stuff does not work as well as the old stuff,and unless the cooling system is flushed on a regular basis, the system will clog,not to mention that it is not good for the seals.Plus,and you guessed it,it COSTS MORE.What a shocker.lol And if you think for one minute the stealers are buying the best stuff,or whether it's environmentally friendly or not,then I got a bridge I wanna sell ya.
Now, environmentally friendly means,should you get into an accident,over heat, loose a hose, or the water pump seal lets go,the coolant leaks out and goes on the ground.Then the animals,basically your house pets, will lap it up because it has a sweet taste to it,but unfortunately,will also make the animal sick.Of course,if these bleeding heart concerned pet owners kept their pets in their own yards,or under their control while out walking em,that wouldn't happen.But because it did,and they were all screaming blue murder,the industry had to change the composition of anti freeze to appease them.Good for the pets,bad for the motor vehicle owner which also includes the pet owners.They're just too stupid to realize it. So now we all suffer financially,because of it.
Anyways,if one feels as though he/she needs stay with the environmentally friendly stuff,then let them pay the price.To each his or her,own.Guys like me,will stay away from it,if and when possible.  Dave!!!
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| | | EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 May 2014 - 12:31 Post title : Re: The Last Word On Coolant - Anti Freeze (Re: davetac1) | | | davetac1 wrote:
.The red,orange,and pink stuff which unfortunately is what comes in just about all of your new motor vehicles built today as well as over the last 20 years or so,contains silicates a... |
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That's not true. The red, orange and pink stuff was designed to not use silicates, which is why it has to be changed less often. Silicates is in "traditional" anti-freeze - the stuff you and I grew up with. The silicates coat the metal and protect it from the antifreeze.
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Historically in North America, conventional coolants have been green in color. Currently, these green coolants typically use a phosphate/ silicate mix as the main components in their inhibitor system. Conventional inhibitors like silicates and phosphates work by forming a protective blanket that actually insulates the metals from the coolant. These inhibitors can be characterized chemically as inorganic oxides (silicates, phosphates, borates, etc.). Because these inhibitor systems are depleted by forming a protective layer, conventional green coolants need to be changed at regular biennial intervals, typically every two years.
The new antifreezes - the red, orange and pink use organic acids or a hybrid. From this link: Link
The most common inhibitors, silicates for aluminum protection, are used up faster than others. That's why some new cars (all General Motors, Mercury Cougar, VW/Audi models) have red or orange antifreeze with a new class of inhibitors, called organic acids.
As to which is better, I have no idea, but the traditional green stuff protects metal with silicates and that protection only last a few years.
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| | | feduke | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 11/08/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,441 | | Location | : | Daytona Beach, Florida, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 May 2014 - 13:03 Post title : Re: The Last Word On Coolant - Anti Freeze (Re: satch1961) | | |
satch1961 wrote:
Darnit Dave. Feduke will be pissed that we did not follow his advice and go to the stealer and buy their overpriced stuff. I will see him this evening and tell him that we ignored his counsel. |
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No, but you go to the "stealer" and pay a $100 hourly rate to get your tire changed. Brilliant! I pay $40 for both and you know the guy. Keep on talking and burying yourself deeper.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 23 May 2014 - 18:17 Post title : Re: The Last Word On Coolant - Anti Freeze (Re: feduke) | | | How did you know Satch was bringing his bike up here so I could change his tires Mike??? I don't remember charging him anything!!!  So what say you now??? Dave!!!
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| | | satch1961 | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/09/2013 | | Posts | : | 583 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 23 May 2014 - 20:49 Post title : Re: The Last Word On Coolant - Anti Freeze (Re: feduke) | | | Hey wait a minute - I think he also checked my terminal connections for that $100... and he did both my tires... 
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