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| robman | | Set |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 11 | | Location | : | Auckland, New Zealand |
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| | Posted : 17 May 2014 - 04:11 Post title : new Commander...wow | | |  just traded my 1600 SE on a commander.wow I mean wow have Triumph ever done a good job on these.Handling is fantastic,maybe the lower seat makes the difference along with a different frame and steel swingarm,was the previous one aluminium?Performance is superb with particular respect to the roll on power,you wouldnt believe that another 100cc could make such a difference,albeit I havnt ridden a storm,which has a slightly higher output.
Well done Triumph,very impressed.....
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| AZCactus | | Taranis | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 4,552 | | Location | : | AZ |
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| | Posted : 17 May 2014 - 04:40 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: robman) | | | Thanks for the report! ...now if we can see triumph on a few street corners. 
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| n2dwind | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 405 | | Location | : | Jupiter, Florida, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 May 2014 - 20:08 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: AZCactus) | | | Hi, just got my electronic copy of Motorcycle Cruiser and thought I would share
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| robman | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 11 | | Location | : | Auckland, New Zealand |
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| | Posted : 24 May 2014 - 19:57 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: n2dwind) | | | n2dwind wrote:
Hi, just got my electronic copy of Motorcycle Cruiser and thought I would share
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Thanks for sharing the link.A very good review I think.
Have discovered a reason for the increased roll on power,or over all power really.Triumph have fitted a back pressure control system into the exaust and this changes the back pressure depending on throttle position which results in increased grunt.This is of course not a new concept by any means as it was developed by Yamaha(as far as I can remember) way back and since been used by numerous other manufacturers.
Have never been a fan of this type of system,particularly when age creeps in and things corrode up etc and since the servo for this is situated way under the engine it is in line for for copping alot of water and debris.Anyway will wait and see.
Triumph have also changed the airbox design which is apparently a contributing factor to increased performance.The airbox had to be altered anyway since the commander saddle sits a bit lower into the frame.
Max torque now comes in at 3550 rpm instead of 2750 on the 1600 and 2950 on the storm and I think this factor in itself is of noticeable benefit albeit at 3550 rpm in 6th gear, one is already over our miserable limit here in NZ at 100 km/hr plus a tolerance of 4 km/hr.(62mph)
I dissagree with the afore mentioned review in respect of the brakes.I think testers should be more cognizant of the fact that new brakes take time to" bed in"and since they get to ride bikes that have minimal miles on them the brakes have not had this time to settle in,so we then get fed the wrong message.
Having now traveled 1200km(700miles) the front brakes are astounding.One finger operation is all that is required.I believe that the pads fitted to these are ceramic pads and require more time to settle than regular pads.I think the other bikes in this range are also fitted with these pads.Down here in NZ you coud expect to pay $90 US + for original pads.(2 pads)
Like most of us I have refused to pay this price and used cheaper pads and I think ultimately inferior pads,with the likelyhood of faster disc wear.
Its hard to believe that maybe,sometimes the manufacturer does know best its just we dont want to pay the price.
Same with bloody tires.Of course the commander comes shod with the same Metzlers,150/17 front and 200/17 rear.and I can see already that they wont last 5 minutes.Will end up fitting the Michelin power commander II, which on my 1600 gave 14000km(8500miles) on the rear,whereas the metzler was stuffed at half of that distance.I certainly think that Triumph intend to supply a bike fitted with tires that allow the best characteristics of the motorcycle to be experienced along with an appropriate safety component,they just chose to forget that we are not all rich enough to support this idea.Why the hell wont Metzler come up with a dual compound tire? (like the power commander)Oh shit thats right they might lose money on sales.....dont know really but they really are a PITA in that they just continue with the same-old same- old.
Anyway better stop raving and get out on the beast.(bugger the rain)
Have put in a pic,not a good one,but shows the brilliant reds used. 
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| Hornet | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 05/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 1,294 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 24 May 2014 - 21:58 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: robman) | | | Nice bruther, enjoy.
One question, do you know if Triumph makes or is planning to make SHORT Tor's in the same config as the stock pipe?
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 24 May 2014 - 22:47 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: robman) | | | looks nice in the red. Seeing one up close I noticed the quality to be really good - as expected.
I don't think this should be under 'Other Triumphs', it is a TBird and should be included in the main forum.
..............what ever possessed them to put a model of the Starship Enterprise on the rear fender ?...... I like the bike but that thing would have to be binned. I could certainly use a seat like the one fitted to these, much of an improvement.
I wish you many happy miles. 
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| robman | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 11 | | Location | : | Auckland, New Zealand |
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| | Posted : 25 May 2014 - 14:43 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: Hornet) | | | Hornet wrote:
Nice bruther, enjoy.
One question, do you know if Triumph makes or is planning to make SHORT Tor's in the same config as the stock pipe?
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Yes Triumph is going to have available a "performance" set of pipes along with a different map for the ECU,according to the dealer.These pipes will look the same as stock units.they say.
I doubt I will change pipes since stock units are not quiet at all and have quite a good throaty roar sound.
I dont know that I want any more grunt since I sold my Rocket3 in order to slow down and live haha.
Seriously any 1600 owner that test rides one of these beasts will have to have one,so I suspect there will a heap of cheap 1600 bikes on the market.....maybe!!!
Today I had a what would you say "drag" with a storm and guess what,the storm ended up a small speck in the mirror.This sort of suprised me since the storm apparently has a tad more torque and hp.than the commander.
Not to rave on but an interesting thing about the ECU which I think most on this forum are aware of is that the ECU on these bikes(and other models) has adaptive learning capability,so essentially if you ride your machine hard you will end up with a better performer than someone who rides their machine in slow non aggressive manner.I think this makes it difficult to compare performance between different bikes.
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| robman | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 11 | | Location | : | Auckland, New Zealand |
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| | Posted : 25 May 2014 - 14:48 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: mat1600) | | |
mat1600 wrote:
looks nice in the red. Seeing one up close I noticed the quality to be really good - as expected.
I don't think this should be under 'Other Triumphs', it is a TBird and should be included in the main forum.
..............what ever possessed them to put a model of the Starship Enterprise on the rear fender ?...... I like the bike but that thing would have to be binned. I could certainly use a seat like the one fitted to these, much of an improvement.
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Yes should have gone main forum with this,oh well next time.
I would certainly agree with the starship enterprise thing.You have to wonder what goes through designers brains sometimes.
I will probably tolerate it for a bit,but it could easily get the chop anytime.cheers
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| Bedouin | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 18/10/2008 | | Posts | : | 1,066 | | Location | : | Athens, Greece |
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| | Posted : 25 May 2014 - 15:03 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: mat1600) | | | mat1600 wrote:
I don't think this should be under 'Other Triumphs', it is a TBird and should be included in the main forum.
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| robman | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 11 | | Location | : | Auckland, New Zealand |
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| | Posted : 25 May 2014 - 18:52 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: Bedouin) | | |
Bedouin wrote:
mat1600 wrote:
I don't think this should be under 'Other Triumphs', it is a TBird and should be included in the main forum.
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Cool thanks for shifting over...
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| AZCactus | | Taranis | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 4,552 | | Location | : | AZ |
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| | Posted : 26 May 2014 - 01:39 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: robman) | | | robman wrote:
...Today I had a what would you say "drag" with a storm and guess what,the storm ended up a small speck in the mirror.This sort of suprised me since the storm apparently has a tad more torque and hp.than the commander. |
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and you forgot less weight...it makes no sense at all (though I don't run a storm). Either the storm missed a shift and shut down or he was playing cat n mouse
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| intimidator32 | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2012 | | Posts | : | 913 | | Location | : | lexington, ky, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 May 2014 - 02:52 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: AZCactus) | | | yeah, something doesn't seem right sounds like he didn't put up a full effort but if this is true the commander should totally dust any hardly or metric it comes across
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| robman | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 11 | | Location | : | Auckland, New Zealand |
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| | Posted : 26 May 2014 - 18:46 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: AZCactus) | | |
AZCactus wrote:
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the storm weighs the same as the commander at 747 lbs.
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| robman | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 11 | | Location | : | Auckland, New Zealand |
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| | Posted : 26 May 2014 - 18:54 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: intimidator32) | | | intimidator32 wrote:
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My friend of 30 years was riding the storm and he was giving it everything,he has since ridden mine and notes the difference in power delivery in particular the midrange from 70mph upwards.
We suspect his maybe limited to 115mph whereas mine escaped limiting and can achieve more than this.
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| AZCactus | | Taranis | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 4,552 | | Location | : | AZ |
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| | Posted : 26 May 2014 - 21:14 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: robman) | | |
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You're correct (close enough). Enjoy the new bike!
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| satch1961 | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/09/2013 | | Posts | : | 583 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 26 May 2014 - 22:17 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: robman) | | | I see one of these Commanders in my future. I have never been totally cool with the fact that the mid-range on the 1600 at about 70-75mph is a little lame. It's almost like some corporate lawyer said "let's not make this bike comfortable for a rider to wanna go faster than 80..."
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| robman | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 11 | | Location | : | Auckland, New Zealand |
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| | Posted : 27 May 2014 - 05:01 Post title : Re: new Commander...wow (Re: satch1961) | | | satch1961 wrote:
I see one of these Commanders in my future. I have never been totally cool with the fact that the mid-range on the 1600 at about 70-75mph is a little lame. It's almost like some corporate lawyer said "let's not make this bike comfortable for a rider to wanna go faster than 80..." |
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Yes I agree. I was always irritated with the sluggishness of the 1600 in this area and didnt feel like buggering around with pipes and tunes.
I think the unexpected mid range surge of power on the commander is due to the variable exhaust back pressure system.It really was quite unexpected when I first experienced it and was I left wondering what the hell Triumph had done to these machines to achieve this.
What I dont now yet is whether the latest storm has had the same treatment,but I will find out soon.Interestingly enough this trick has not been mentioned by Triumph in the specs or by any one else and I only learnt about it when I asked the dealer as to how the massive improvement in mid range throttle response had been achieved,whereby I was shown the system right underneath the engine.
Dont wish to rave on but it is great to be suprised when you buy something and find out that there is a bonus included.........cheers
Yamaha called this variable back pressure system "EXUP",as a matter of interest.
Triumph have already used this on the 675 Daytona and still are I understand, and I suppose on other models,but not sure about that.
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