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| FTL40 | | Jupiter |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 13/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,122 | | Location | : | massachusetts, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 Apr 2010 - 03:58 Post title : raced a victory | | | well my bikes is broken in and i can finally run it hard. my friend has a 2007 jackpot with the 100ci motor. he has pipes and his airbox removed with the S&S tune. i have the 104 with bc pipes. well he walked me no matter how we did it. we did a 1st gear run and i was at about 3k when we hit it and he just walked away. a bit dissapointed to be honest. but the bird has better brakes, better ride, way better chassis, and just feels like a better made bike. i did notice that even with the 104 this thing feels like it is running out of air. after riding it hard i think the airbox and tuning is killing this bike. thats all for now
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| Birdy68 | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,352 | | Location | : | Bad Zurzach, Aargau, Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 22 Apr 2010 - 05:24 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: FTL40) | | | Not to worry there FTL...
The ??Bird is just at the start of its life in customization for the speed daemons 
I do think that with the Airbox 'issues' and better tunes it'll be a ??Bird unto its own.
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| Thatch | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 Apr 2010 - 12:57 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: FTL40) | | | Sounds like when you match him with your own airbox mod and tune you'll even that up or take him.
If just taking off the seat vent nets 6 rwhp you know the bird is suffocating. Get her breathing right and try it again.
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| Druid | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,359 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 22 Apr 2010 - 13:23 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: Thatch) | | | Well its no real suprise TBH. The review in MCN of the VN1700, the Victory and the TBird said the Victory was faster on the straight off the mark.
But all round the Bird was better.
What was the final comment? " If you want a bike to pose on on a sunday afternoon for thirty minutes that gives you thrills take the Victory , if you want a brilliant all round bike that is no slouch and can go on the highway as well take the Bird".
| Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery - W.Churchill
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| FTL40 | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,122 | | Location | : | massachusetts, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 Apr 2010 - 17:44 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: Druid) | | | there is no way i am giving up the bird, this is by far the best bike i have ridden/owned. i guess i am just a little dissapointed since i thought the 104 would make up the difference. but it really is not getting near enough air which i am sure will be taken care of sooner than later. i will just have to race him on twisty roads or long range lol
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| mad_angler1 | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 18/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 511 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 22 Apr 2010 - 19:40 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: FTL40) | | | its funny i know what you mean, i get this feeling something is restricting mine at the moment, i have been going though the Triumph manual in the last few days as i am sure i am loosing power somewhere.i am 100% definitely lost torque with the de-cat and the TOR pipes, put the cat back on tonight and bang its back, this bike does not like the exhaust to free flowing, whether extra tuning will help this will remain to be seen but all i know is my bike goes better with the cat in place.
however i have noticed something a bit odd,
when i am in second at about 2700rpm and slam open the throttle then bike seems to hesitate a bit then after a second or two it then goes, BUT if i do the same thing but come on the throttle less hard say do a gradual open it flies off mush better, much more low end torque than with the slam open.
i have been discussing this with my dealer today and we have come up with a 3 possible reasons.
1: lack of fuel at full throttle when first opened, so when i slam the throttle butterflies wide open i get a lean burn until i get to say 3k then it dumps more in, this means when i open it more genitally i,m not flooding it with air and its got a richer mix giving me more instant power, need to see the fuel map to confirm this.
2: Torque Compensator, this bike is fitted with one on the crank before the clutch, its possible when slamming open there is so much power the compensator is kicking in and reducing power then as the bike speeds up it gives it back, but having looked into how it works in the manual i don't believe it fully restricts the power, it seems to be designed to just smooth out jump in power, its basically a clutch but instead of having multiple plates it has a plate that attaches to the crank with three triangle spikes that stick out of it, then these spikes go into corresponding holes in the drive gear behind it, the drive gear does not attach to the crank its self it get only gets spun by this plate, behind both of these is a series of spring washers pushing the lot together, so when the torque overloads the two plates start to turn out of sequence, because the spike are triangular means as this happens they separate out from each other against the springs, the thing i am not convinced about is that the two plates can rotate completely away from each other, from looking at the manual it looks like there would only be movement of a few cm each way before it locks up, this would not be enough to reduce power it would just smooth out pulses of torque.
3: finally i may be getting a little bit of clutch spin, when it does it it does not rev like hell but its like something is giving if you know what i mean, i have added the new springs that came with the BB kit be its possible these are not enough.
to go forward we believe the Rocket 3 clutch springs are the same size just stronger again, i have ordered 5 of these and will give them a try,
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| zolti | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 22 Apr 2010 - 20:55 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: mad_angler1) | | | interesting trio angler certainly food for thought, my hopes are its the springs (purely for selfish reasons cos im only stock ). but i suspect its the fuel map as that sounds like a conservative fuel save etc. will have a go to emulate the 2700 in second on saturday and let you know
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| daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 22 Apr 2010 - 22:00 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: FTL40) | | | I wouldn't be too worried. I knew from day one the bike is being strangled. I can just feel it....it feels the same as my speedmaster did till i opened up the airways which literally took it from feeling like a 450 honda on the freeway to not a heck of a lot worse than the Tbird in 80 MPH roll-ons ! It was a drastic change just by drilling the airbox and a couple other air mods. And this guy you're talking about didn't just mod the box, he REMOVED IT, no?!
This bike is really suffering from factory detuning. The air way is in dire need of opening, but as you know we can't even begin to do those mods till tuneboy gets things ready for us. Once the bike is breathing well i have no doubt it will be huge. I wouldn't doubt a 1600 bird would keep up with that victory once it's allowed to breath and tuned to the max. It was huge on the speedmaster, i expect better on the Tbird due to the fact it can be tuned much more accurately than my carb'd speedy and i never removed the box, just modded it. and don't forget....you are running a factory tune still, BB or not ! triumph tunes are emissions compliant for gods sake ! No doubt your friends is tuned to the hilt with a power commander or such because he couldn't have removed the box w/o that. So don't worry, it's all about to change. besides, even now he'd never hang with the bird in the twisties !
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| TraderVic | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 02/02/2010 | | Posts | : | 274 | | Location | : | Manahawkin, NJ, United States |
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| | Posted : 22 Apr 2010 - 23:09 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: mad_angler1) | | |
mad_angler1 wrote:
its funny i know what you mean, i get this feeling something is restricting mine at the moment, i have been going though the Triumph manual in the last few days as i am sure i am loosing power somewhere.i am 100% definitely lost torque with the de-cat and the TOR pipes, put the cat back on tonight and bang its back, this bike does not like the exhaust to free flowing, whether extra tuning will help this will remain to be seen but all i know is my bike goes better with the cat in place.
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Try the stock pipes with no cat. I think you'll like it. 
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| Keets | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/02/2009 | | Posts | : | 453 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 23 Apr 2010 - 01:34 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: TraderVic) | | | I didnt notice any change when I removed the Cat from the shorty TOR's.
anywho...solution to getting beat by the Victory? Shallow stage
| Cruisin' on thru the junction i'm flyin' 'bout the speed of sound
Noticin' peculiar function i ain't no roller coaster show me down.
I turned away to see her woa! she caught my eye
But i was rollin' down movin' too fast;
...Doh!
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| venator1226 | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 22/11/2009 | | Posts | : | 108 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Apr 2010 - 04:56 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: FTL40) | | | I know this was a comparison to your friends bike but consider this.....your comparing your TB to a 20K bike....if you had that extra money to put towards performance you could blow him away....dollar to dollar you should compare the 8 Ball.
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| FTL40 | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,122 | | Location | : | massachusetts, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Apr 2010 - 18:04 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: venator1226) | | | well he paid 14k for it 1 year old from the dealer, i am not so worried as i am a bit dissapointed. not a big deal but i am very interested in how much of a difference the tuneboy makes
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 23 Apr 2010 - 20:31 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: FTL40) | | | There will always be something faster even if we do all the speed mods. But this does not mean its better (think Titanic).The whole rideability of the Bird is what sets it apart. Could you honestly live with a Victory, as nice as they are. I jumped on a Jap 1200 street bike today to see if that spark came back to me and all I could do is watch my mate on my T Bird up ahead - what a sight -that rear end (the bird not my mate). Yes the Bandit was nice to ride and I enjoyed the swap, but there was no feeling like getting back on the Bird for the final ten miles and no cars to screw up the ride. Victory may be a word used for winning a battle but it does not mean they have won the war.
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Apr 2010 - 20:52 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: mat1600) | | |
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Not with the goofy ass handle bars they stick on every single one of them. They have no concept of the 'less is more' ideal. Conceptually I like the Victorys but in the flesh, not so much. the air compressor motor the goofy over the top styling, the geometry from hell that make Harleys look restrained..... I'll pass (and when I mod the airbox, it will be literally as well as figuratively)
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 23 Apr 2010 - 20:59 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: Thatch) | | | Nuff said
| My first natural instinct is to breathe. My second is to evade tax's.
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| zolti | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 23 Apr 2010 - 23:04 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: FTL40) | | | The Peregrine Falcon is the fastest bird, and in fact the fastest animal on the planet, when in its hunting dive it reaches speeds of over 200 mph However, it does not make the fastest bird when travelling in level flight. That is the majestic spine tailed swift that can really swoop and swerve and is hypnotic to watch.
so..
what would you want to be?
a straight line wonder or a bird that can really fly 
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| PES | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 03/01/2009 | | Posts | : | 927 | | Location | : | Tulsa, OK, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Apr 2010 - 01:41 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: zolti) | | | I thought this was the fastest bird.
Link
or this one. OMG this is scary.
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| zolti | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 24 Apr 2010 - 07:55 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: PES) | | | hmmmmm  not sure of the subltety
you could suggest that to ftl40
but for me thats madness lol
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| zolti | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 24 Apr 2010 - 17:57 Post title : Re: raced a victory (Re: mad_angler1) | | | madangler you mentioned..
when i am in second at about 2700rpm and slam open the throttle then bike seems to hesitate a bit then after a second or two it then goes, BUT if i do the same thing but come on the throttle less hard say do a gradual open it flies off mush better, much more low end torque than with the slam open.
tried it today, pottering along in second at 2700, opened up expecting a lag but got my arms stretched, instant power. running stock at the min on 98cu, 800 miles. dunno if that helps you or not but it woke me up
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