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| PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Oct 2013 - 03:53 Post title : '13 Tbird flasher relay location? | | | Feeling the need to increase visibility so, like I did on my previous bike, installing LED clusters in rear signals and converting to run-turn-stop.
I'd rather replace the flasher relay with an LED-compatible/load independent flasher relay than use a load equalizer to not waste the power-savings gained by going to LEDs. I have yet to find any evidence of a flasher relay in this bike (or in the wiring diagram).
There's no clicking sound you would hear from a bimetallic relay so it's got to be electronic but where is it?
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 04 Oct 2013 - 07:19 Post title : Re: '13 Tbird flasher relay location? (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | Probably integrated with the ECU. I am sure the ECU has the flasher cacellation control.
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| davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Oct 2013 - 01:53 Post title : Re: '13 Tbird flasher relay location? (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | According to my SM,page 18.35,the DIRECTIONAL INDICATOR RELAY is located in the instrument cluster.I'm assuming that means the speedometer on the tank,but I'm not positive.It has 3 wires running from it,a LGN,[light gray or green,I don't know what the N stands for unless it's part of green],a LGB,[again,light green or gray/black tracer],and an O [orange] running to the diagnostic connector.I've never had it apart or had any problems with the directionals,so I'm afraid I can't be of more help to you.My appologies for my stupidity.
As for wasting power or not having enough to run conventional directionals or LEDs,the stator makes 45 amps,which is more then enough to run the machine "PLUS" a shit load of accessories. Dave!!!
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| PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Oct 2013 - 02:27 Post title : Re: '13 Tbird flasher relay location? (Re: davetac1) | | | I also have the SM and I also believe that relay is for the instrument panel but I do appreciate your taking the time to look. :-)
I stopped by my Triumph dealer today and spoke to the service manager who, of course, had no idea. Based on the absence of a flasher relay in the SM and my failure to find anything even close in the tangle of wires, I think, as mat1600 guessed, it is probably integrated into the ECU.
I've checked with Signal Dynamics to see how much current their Dual Load Equalizer draws and they said about as much as an 1157 bulb (which is about 2 amps, just about the same as the 7507 bulbs in the turn signal) so I'll just have to accept the power waste; at least it's only when the bulb is on.
Doesn't matter to me how much power the bike generates, I hate wasting any. Probably goes back to my Dad always yelling at me to turn out the lights whenever I left a room. 
Thanks for the interest and responses. Got all the parts ordered today; integrating Custom Dynamics Dynamic Clusters and Signal Dynamics Backoff XP brake light modulator into the rear to be a bit more visible from behind. Got a Triumph light bar (or "Auxillary Lights" as the Brits are calling it) on order for the front so I'll probably leave that end alone.....for now.
| 2013 Blue Marble Haze Thunderbird 1600 ABS
2009 Black Bonneville A1 ("Mag")
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| daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Oct 2013 - 02:44 Post title : Re: '13 Tbird flasher relay location? (Re: mat1600) | | |
mat1600 wrote:
Probably integrated with the ECU. I am sure the ECU has the flasher cacellation control.
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The manual says there is one, but i couldn't find the location.
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| mjgt | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,201 | | Location | : | North Somerset, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 05 Oct 2013 - 07:51 Post title : Re: '13 Tbird flasher relay location? (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | It's part of the instrument pack, it's built into the back of the speedo and I believe is a non replaceable item, unless you buy a new speedo.
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| Rotorwash70 | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/02/2013 | | Posts | : | 28 | | Location | : | PA, United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Oct 2013 - 13:18 Post title : Re: '13 Tbird flasher relay location? (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | I also went with LED lights in the turn signals, and also tried to "find" the turn signal relay. SM indicated the relay is in the spedo. I even opened up the speedo, and the only stuff in there is circuit boards and wires. I very carefully closed everything back up and decided I probably shouldn't try that again. For now, the lights just blink a little fast...maybe that will be more noticeable....
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| PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 07 Oct 2013 - 02:44 Post title : Re: '13 Tbird flasher relay location? (Re: Rotorwash70) | | | Thanks for the heads-up. I was going to open up the speedo and now won't have to. :-)
I'll go with a load equalizer; just seems like a waste of power.
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| turbo97se | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/01/2021 | | Posts | : | 10 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Jul 2021 - 00:38 Post title : Re: '13 Tbird flasher relay location? (Re: Rotorwash70) | | | I know this is a super old thread. I just got my TB Storm a few months ago and started LED light upgrades. I encountered some issues and tried to look them up but not much info out there on our bikes ... but managed to solve them, so I thought I would share with the community .. sadly, I think the TB Storm community appears to be inactive probably due to the end of production of these motorcycles ... still an awesome bike in my opinion. Anyway, here is a video .. the principles can be applied to any motorcycle really. Hope it helps anyone else who happens to need to address these issues with LEDs
Triumph Thunderbird Storm LED upgrade fixes link |:Link>Link
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| PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Jul 2021 - 04:04 Post title : Re: '13 Tbird flasher relay location? (Re: turbo97se) | | | Great solution, Turbo. It is a super old thread and some of us are still here! If you search in this forum, you'll see a lot of LED mods over the years. I went all-LED long ago and since the flash rate only increased by about 1Hz (and I didn't have your Cylon lights that needed more time), I didn't bother with load equalizers. I rewired my rear turn-signals to accept LED clusters and do double-duty as running lights and modulated my tail light for braking. A little later came under-tank and fender LED strips, then a JWSpeaker headlight. You'll find some detailed LED projects here but they will be a little dated.
Your lighting mods are pretty awesome. Thanks for posting the video and welcome to the forum.
| 2013 Blue Marble Haze Thunderbird 1600 ABS
2009 Black Bonneville A1 ("Mag")
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| turbo97se | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/01/2021 | | Posts | : | 10 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Jul 2021 - 07:25 Post title : Re: '13 Tbird flasher relay location? (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | Thank you for taking a look, at least I know my effort was not wasted and was appreciated. It has been something of a project bike. Someone had spent a lot of time and money to try to convert it to a hybrid version of a Thunderbird LT, so there are splashes of LT on it. The handlebars, I had to rewire and put the stock ones back on because the ones on it were hitting the tank. I will post pictures some time. I am not a very good Youtuber but thought that would be the best way to communicate the changes.
I want to make myself as visible as possible without getting into trouble with the authorities or becoming annoying to other drivers, so will likely continue with adding bright LEDs. I like your idea of changing the LED clusters at the back. Do standard 2" LEDs designed for Harleys work? I was actually thinking the same but instead of running lights, they would double duty as brake lights instead. I really want to be seen during braking (in case you hadn't noticed :) )
Well I am so glad there are some people still active here!
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| rayglo | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Jul 2021 - 11:27 Post title : Re: '13 Tbird flasher relay location? (Re: turbo97se) | | | Nice video, I tried splicing in a rizoma flasher on the same wires as you. I lost my self cancel feature and disconnected it. Let us know if you still have the SC feature. Thanks
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| PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Jul 2021 - 14:54 Post title : Re: '13 Tbird flasher relay location? (Re: turbo97se) | | |
turbo97se wrote: .... Do standard 2" LEDs designed for Harleys work? I was actually thinking the same but instead of running lights, they would double duty as brake lights instead. I really want to be seen during braking (in case you hadn't noticed....
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Details here: Link
Follow up here: Link
I used Custom Dynamics "Dynamic Clusters". I think now they call them "Genesis" Universal LED Clusters.
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| turbo97se | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/01/2021 | | Posts | : | 10 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 16 Jul 2021 - 01:46 Post title : Re: '13 Tbird flasher relay location? (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | Wow .. thank you very much for sharing! Super detailed and very clear. I used to make very detailed DIYs also on my cars. It takes quite a bit of time and effort to mark up pics etc ... Inevitably, I will do something very similar to what you have done. Thank you very much for sharing the details.
Today, I tested my motorcycle and immediately got a check engine light ... I soon discovered that I had pinched a wire in the harness when installing the cluster, that was swiftly fixed.
Sad news is that the auto cancel no longer works. I believe it is to do with the fact that there is no longer any load on the original cluster relay so it thinks it is off all the time and does not bother to cancel. I will try to figure a way out to fix it. It's not a deal breaker for me, but more of a challenge. I am thinking some form of latching relay with dummy load connected to the original flasher relay so that it thinks it is still connected or something like that.
PapaSmurfMC wrote:
turbo97se wrote: .... Do standard 2" LEDs designed for Harleys work? I was actually thinking the same but instead of running lights, they would double duty as brake lights instead. I really want to be seen during braking (in case you hadn't noticed....
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Details here: Link
Follow up here: Link
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