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| Thatch | | Thor |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Apr 2010 - 20:56 Post title : Worst Review Yet | | | What happens when you give the worlds best cruiser to a reviewer that hates cruisers? The most schizophrenic review ever written, that's what.
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 13 Apr 2010 - 21:20 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: Thatch) | | | I dont get why he thinks it should be a crutch rocket. Nothing there tells of what the bike is meant for and how good it does it.
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| daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Apr 2010 - 21:25 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: Thatch) | | | Ain't the first time some numb skull reviewed it like that. these guys are simply idiots at best. The frucking thing wins cruiser of the year then outsells every cruiser on the planet and some moron like this guy comes along and knows more than the rest of the world. Whatever...
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Apr 2010 - 21:34 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: daz) | | | Well, the thing is he heaps praises on it, again and again and then pans it outright for basically being a cruiser (having low pegs). What is the point of that. It's a bit like riding a Street Triple and bitching that it's twitchy...
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| opium89 | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/12/2008 | | Posts | : | 100 | | Location | : | Austin, Texas, United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Apr 2010 - 22:00 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: Thatch) | | | Guess his preference is for a "farty" bike that handles like shit. Not a bad review really.
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| EnGage | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Apr 2010 - 13:58 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: Thatch) | | | I read it as a positive, but critical review.
personally I tire of all the raving reviews that simply repeat the talking points that Triumph has undoubtedly provided to all the journalists. This guy said it as he sees it with is biggest "issue" was that the bike could handle, but would scrap the pegs before the limit. He also said that one could sense some very clever brains at work:
"You sense some very clever brains have been at work, flowing previously unseen levels of chassis understanding and engine refinement into the cruiser sector..."
I'll take this type of review over reheated talking points any day...
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Apr 2010 - 14:05 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: EnGage) | | | While I'll agree with you in theory it's the practice I have issue with. He just doesn't like cruisers, which is fine if you are a motorcycle owner, but when you are a motorcycle reviewer you best put those issues aside and judge the bike on how it does what it was built to do. It's like a music reviewer complaining that there wasn't enough kettle drum in the bluegrass album or food critic complaining that there weren't any vegan options at the steak house.
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| EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Apr 2010 - 14:15 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: Thatch) | | | I think I took his comments in a different context. For example, when he complained about the low foot pegs one could assume that he is a sport bike guy and wants a setup like a sport bike. What I think he was trying to say is that since the bike really does handle well for a cruiser, why didn't Triumph take advantage of that and provide a bit more ground clearance. A point that is enhanced by the lack of peg feelers on your Tbird
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Apr 2010 - 14:25 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: EnGage) | | | Oh agreed. I could certainly use a bit more clearance (was on this great on-ramp this morning that I could really get on it and lean into it... 70 mph hard accelerating and grinding the hell out of that right hand peg... wooohoo) BUT, that's part and parcel of the cruiser setup.
Anywho, the title I gave this was a bit tounge in cheek as well... because as much as he just didn't seem to 'get it'. It was essentially a fairly positive review. But, this is the worst so far.
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| feduke | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 11/08/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,441 | | Location | : | Daytona Beach, Florida, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Apr 2010 - 15:11 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: EnGage) | | |
EnGage wrote:
I think I took his comments in a different context. For example, when he complained about the low foot pegs one could assume that he is a sport bike guy and wants a setup like a sport bike. What I think he was trying to say is that since the bike really does handle well for a cruiser, why didn't Triumph take advantage of that and provide a bit more ground clearance. A point that is enhanced by the lack of peg feelers on your Tbird |
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Well said. I agree completely and don't think it is a bad review at all. He's right about the lean angle restriction. All I disagreed with is that the bike feeks heavy. But then I came here from 2 Valkyries and a Rocket III.
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Apr 2010 - 15:30 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet | | | I didn't even read it ! I started to but by the time i got one paragraph in and read "Unsurprisingly, the new Thunderbird is no canyon-carver" and i stopped right there. Had it been a sport bike would he have said "Unsurprisingly, the new daytona is no cruiser"? that was enough for me to know what thatch was saying, and i don't care how positive it was, it was done in a backhanded way. It's like saying it's good for what it is, but what it is is shit. Why not say "surprisingly it is quite a canyon carver for a cruiser"? After all, who doesn't know cruisers generally aren't, so why point that out. But it IS, and that IS surprising, so that should have been how he started it out. But there was indeed an underlying comparison between the bird and sport bikes going on in his mind, whether or not he outright said that. Do car reviewers compare a porshe to a mack truck? They both have 4 wheels.
I understand what you're saying engage, but i just don't see the need to even go where he went. Those comments cloud the review and don't tell the story the way it should be told in order to give a cruiser enthusiast the info he needs to form a conclusion as to where it sits within the cruiser category. Some will get it, some won't. But i just don't feel guys like this are impartial enough. If he can't review it for what it is because of his personal bias he should step aside and let someone who CAN do the review.
Like i said, i only read that one thing. But i stopped because i have read 1 or 2 other reviews by someone with similar disdain for cruisers and i know how it goes. I don't mean to imply this is a real sore spot with me because to be honest i could care less. but if you want to evaluate a reviewer and how he went about a particular review, then theres my opinion.....i think that if the rest of the review went like that line that stopped me, then he was the wrong man for the job.
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| FTL40 | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 13/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,122 | | Location | : | massachusetts, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Apr 2010 - 17:20 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: daz) | | | i actually think he spoke highly of the bike. it seemed the only thing he complained about was the pegs which i think triumph should have game more clearence. other then that i dont think i have seen a better review of the chassis. i guess its all in how you take it but i dont think it was to bad at all considering all of the great reviews this bike has got and there is different strokes for different folks
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| BigJack | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2009 | | Posts | : | 246 | | Location | : | Mishawaka, In., United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Apr 2010 - 17:47 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: Thatch) | | | Guys,what should any of you care what someone else thinks of our bikes?You bougt the bike cause you liked it plusses and mineses,so go out and ride with pride!! 
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| feduke | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 11/08/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,441 | | Location | : | Daytona Beach, Florida, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Apr 2010 - 21:32 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
I didn't even read it ! I started to but by the time i got one paragraph in and read "Unsurprisingly, the new Thunderbird is no canyon-carver" and i stopped right there. |
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Having said the above, it sounds like he is more entitled to his opinion about something he tested than you are about something you didn't read. I have a book on quantum mechanics that I doubt you have read. Would you care to write a review on it?
(All said in the nicest, most gentle way possible, of course.)
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Apr 2010 - 21:39 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: feduke) | | | Whatever. I hear plenty of things said at forums i visit that i feel are stupid, but i bite my tounge. Try it some time...
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| feduke | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 11/08/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,441 | | Location | : | Daytona Beach, Florida, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Apr 2010 - 21:45 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: daz) | | | Well said, Daz, and you are absolutely right there. 
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Apr 2010 - 21:54 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: feduke) | | | Understand that the word "think" in my last post should have had asterisks around it. Your meaning wasn't lost on me nor appreciated, but also understand that i was talking about what is said to people IN THE FORUM. Not some reviewer somewhere who should himself be silent.
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| EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Apr 2010 - 12:17 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: Thatch) | | |
Thatch wrote:
Oh agreed. I could certainly use a bit more clearance (was on this great on-ramp this morning that I could really get on it and lean into it... 70 mph hard accelerating and grinding the hell out of that right hand peg... wooohoo) BUT, that's part and parcel of the cruiser setup. |
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Hit the right peg hard yesterday. Scared the piss out of me, but I have at least touched both sides now
Back to the topic at hand. It wasn't my intention to start a debate. I read the article differently (and apparently wasn't the only one) so I said so. Thatch understands this.
Opinions among people vary for a lot of reasons - often personal. For me, I've spent a lifetime in corporate america and have grown tired of the constant marketing "spin". All these articles we read about the Bird say the same things: handles great, smooth power, designed by whats-his-name, fills a gap, not a V-twin, blaw, blaw, blaw. All the journalists are 1) riding the bike and then 2) rearranging the words Triumph provided them so that the article is "their's". I know this because as a software executive I have been a part of this "game" and have grown tired of it. So while this last article wasn't as "nice" it at least seemed honest, which is why it didn't have an issue with it.
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| FTL40 | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,122 | | Location | : | massachusetts, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Apr 2010 - 13:12 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: EnGage) | | | +1
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Apr 2010 - 13:14 Post title : Re: Worst Review Yet (Re: EnGage) | | | Yeah, I see where you're coming from and you are right about the lazy journalism that is half (if not more so) in the pocket of manufacturers. I just want criticism to fall in line with expectations.
Anywho, I think we know where this thread is at now...
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