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| brackforce | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 25/04/2010 | | Posts | : | 123 | | Location | : | Fayetteville, NC, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Apr 2010 - 17:41 Post title : Re: Playing around (Re: Thatch) | | | Maybe I'm an idiot, but I was under the impression that these had removable chrome heat shields that covered the actual header pipes. I'm not the most bike savvy or mechanically inclined dude on the planet and I learned everything I know about motorcycles working on my old CJ750. Now that you mention it, I think I am an idiot. I saw those custom bikes with the pipes painted and thought they had covers on them because I'm not aware of powder coating or paint that can be done straight to the exhaust pipes. The wrapped pipes looked smaller to me so I though they had removed the covers (shields.) You'll have to set me straight on this one.
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| Thatch | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Apr 2010 - 18:10 Post title : Re: Playing around (Re: brackforce) | | | No problem, we aren't born knowing it all (though my wife seems to imply I think I was)...
The headers (pipes from exhaust port to the front intake of the catalytic converter) are chromed. In the picture below you can see joint right behind the riders heel and a second one just past the tire where the wheel line is. That section is the heat shield and it spans the catalytic converter to cover the joints. Think of the catalytic converter as a run over dog, 4 legs splayed out. The header joins the exhaust port at the front of the engine and joins the front leg of the cat (or dog in this case) enters the cat body and exhausts out the back leg. The heat shield covers up those two joints (you can see the cat below the bike, its the big light brown box in front of the rear tire) Everything else is chromed, no covers.
Now, you are getting the BC pipes which means that 22lbs of useless box is going away and with it those heat shields. (BC comes with it's own smaller shields) You also won't have chrome tailpipes any more as the BC pipes are stainless. (very good since my chrome got a nice dent in it which caused it to crack and would in short order rust if it wasn't replaced). So, you'll have the option of having your headers wrapped or powder coated. The reason that the pipes look smaller is the absence of highlights from the chrome, the old adage about black being thinning is correct.
Hopefully that was somewhat clear. Just let me know if I missed anything. (like adding the picture, which I had to go back and do after the fact)
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| brackforce | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 25/04/2010 | | Posts | : | 123 | | Location | : | Fayetteville, NC, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Apr 2010 - 18:23 Post title : Re: Playing around (Re: Thatch) | | | Okay, that makes perfect sense. For some reason I was thinking the headers had some sort of chrome shield over them. I didn't know you could coat the actual headers (Final Touch Powder Coating can't do it) and I ordered the Hog Slayers in black so now I have to decide if I want to see if Mark CAN paint the header pipes and, if he can't whether I should leave them chrome with just the Hog Slayers Black or wrap the headers. Damn. So many options. I might have to start doing some more "photoshopping" and see what I come up with. I'm using a program called LiveQuartz on my Macbook Pro and I'm not a photo changing wizard so my work isn't that great.
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Apr 2010 - 18:31 Post title : Re: Playing around (Re: brackforce) | | | Well Hot Rodz was doing a wrap job last week when I was in there. Might ask them what it cost them to do it. Between the cost of the two options and the fact that you can undo the wrap but not the coating you'll probably find the option that best suits you. The only thing that makes me lean towards wrapping is the 'undoability' (but only to a degree, much time passes with the wrap on there and the chrome is going to be pretty marred up) and the fact that you don't have to match colors and finishes to the BC coloring.
One option to get by that would be to ask Sean at BC what they do to color their pipes and what would be the best way to match them. Sean is a great guy if you haven't dealt with them. They have a live chat feature on their site and there is usually someone there that can help you out.
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| brackforce | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 25/04/2010 | | Posts | : | 123 | | Location | : | Fayetteville, NC, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Apr 2010 - 18:43 Post title : Re: Playing around (Re: Thatch) | | | Cool, thanks. Yea, I've emailed Sean a couple of times....I'll ask BC what they think. I was about to write another post before I saw your reply saying that I don't think flat black will work for me. Because of the Phantom Blue Paint job I think I'll have to do a gloss black that matches the rest of the bike. It might be tricky. I just have to make sure I come up with a sound decision before I tell them to do the deed. It's hard doing it from here, but I want to get it done before I get back so that I don't have to take the bike in or pull it apart for the paint job. It can take a long time to get things done in Fayetteville. I want to make sure this is done right to make the bike looks awesome. It would be a shame if we screwed it up and I had to order replacement parts to fix the damage.
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| brackforce | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 25/04/2010 | | Posts | : | 123 | | Location | : | Fayetteville, NC, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Apr 2010 - 19:08 Post title : Re: Playing around (Re: brackforce) | | | Just got off the live chat with Sean...they use ceramic coating. I looked at Jet-Hot's online, but you have to request an estimate. I search on the Harley forums suggests it's about $50 to strip the pipes and around $150-200 for the paint job. The problem is, you have to mail the pipes to them. We'll see what Mark says.
P.S. Sean said he likes the wrap look and wants pics when the bike is finished...he hadn't received my order yet from Hotrodz but has one set of Black Hog Slayers that he's holding for me.
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2010 Black and Blue Haze 1700
2006 Bobbed-out Royal Enfield Bullet Sixty-5
1976 Panzer Grey CJ750 with Sidecar
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Apr 2010 - 19:23 Post title : Re: Playing around (Re: brackforce) | | | Amazing what you can accomplish from way off in Afghanistan. It's not like the old days. Hell, I was just in Italy back in the first gulf war and I remember standing in line for the phone. Writing letters to family and generally being cut off from the world. You're getting quotes for motorcycle customization .... things have moved forward just a bit.
You've got some good info to work with there. As soon as Mark gets back with you on a wrap quote or what it would cost you to have them do the stripping and shipping you'll be set. Oh, just in case you don't know or remember they are closed on Mondays.
One thing I was thinking, that blue haze may be more to the 'pretty' side of things and less to the brutish ... which might suggest going for the 'prettier' black instead of the brutish wrap. That's just the way I'm seeing it though.
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| zolti | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 27 Apr 2010 - 19:46 Post title : Re: Playing around (Re: brackforce) | | | brackforce - re chrome shields, headers
i was thinking the same as when i look at the sensor fitting near the lower bend it appears to be connected to an inner pipe!! almost as though the chrome is an aesthetic feature (or a shield) and the real pipe runs inside, may explain why my pipes have no strawing or blueing
anyone enlighten?
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| brackforce | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 25/04/2010 | | Posts | : | 123 | | Location | : | Fayetteville, NC, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 May 2010 - 14:46 Post title : Re: Playing around (Re: zolti) | | | Yea, I know what you mean. It seemed to me that there were pipes within that could turn whatever color they wanted because they had these exterior chrome "heat shields" over them. The might not be the case, but if it is, then they're probably nearly impossible to get off! It would also account for the size of the header pipes. They seemed kind of girthy to me.
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| ataDude | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 19/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 527 | | Location | : | Texas, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 May 2010 - 18:10 Post title : Re: Playing around (Re: zolti) | | | They are definitely double-wall pipes... that's the reason they don't turn blue from the heat.
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 May 2010 - 19:33 Post title : Re: Playing around (Re: ataDude) | | | Well yes, double walled but not removable (in the traditional sense of the word) I need to look closer at how the headers are connected to see what would be involved in a custom set of headers.
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