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| | | daz | | Zeus |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Nov 2012 - 01:39 Post title : TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps | | | I found out today that if you have a tuneboy tune in your bike, you can use tuneECU to read the map, then if you save it, it will save in tuneECU's hex format. So any of you tuneboy guys who also have tuneECU want to share your map, (hint hint ) next time you are hooked up to the bike think about saving it for posting at the repository here. I would love to try a TB map for the 1700/decat/seat hack/tors(or other aftermarket pipe. It would be great if we had many maps to try and determine which worked best.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Nov 2012 - 14:58 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: daz) | | | I think we're in luck. Even if they do this to the Tbird eventually, it appears according to what someone posted that this does NOT disable the ECU as first indicated. All it does from what was posted in triumph's words is record any tampering, IE: use of non approved tunes so that the dealer/factory can refuse any warranty claims. So while it's a bit of a drag for the first 2 years while under warranty, after that there should be no reason to worry and you can still use tuneECU. You can from day one if you are willing to chance losing any warranty claim.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | Rev | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 02/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 266 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Nov 2012 - 16:51 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
I found out today that if you have a tuneboy tune in your bike, you can use tuneECU to read the map, then if you save it, it will save in tuneECU's hex format. So any of you tuneboy guys who also have tuneECU want to share your map, (hint hint ) next time you are hooked up to the bike think about saving it for posting at the repository here. I would love to try a TB map for the 1700/decat/seat hack/tors(or other aftermarket pipe. It would be great if we had many maps to try and determine which worked best. |
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I would be really interested in a dyno tuned map to see if it ports over well, and what the effects are. If anyone has a 1600 tuneboy dyno tuned map, I would be very interested.
Rev
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Nov 2012 - 17:14 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: daz) | | | daz wrote:
I think we're in luck. Even if they do this to the Tbird eventually, it appears according to what someone posted that this does NOT disable the ECU as first indicated. All it does from what was posted in triumph's words is record any tampering, IE: use of non approved tunes so that the dealer/factory can refuse any warranty claims. So while it's a bit of a drag for the first 2 years while under warranty, after that there should be no reason to worry and you can still use tuneECU. You can from day one if you are willing to chance losing any warranty claim. |
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"Found out today...??" How about some actual information? This is gossip.
Or it could be much worse. Alain doesn't say it will void a warranty. He says do not do it.
Someone posted a rumour. Someone else repeated it. Bad news. Mud in the water.
IAC, I think Stevew refuted, last year, the idea that tuneboy tunes can be converted to .hex by tuneecu. It is FALSE
afaik. But, as always, talk is cheap. Where is the beef? 
The .dat format is very padded, maybe 30% more bits are used than the .hex. Technical, if nothing else, I doubt it.
Also, everyone has heard from me what I think of this cross forum rumor mongering. But, some still don't get it.
...in Triumph's words.../.
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| | | Dougl | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 13/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 544 | | Location | : | Reno, Nevada, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Nov 2012 - 23:41 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: DizzE) | | | The issue isn't how the maps are formatted. There are several custom Rocket tunes that were converted to hex, including one that I was using that had been posted by Wayne Tuneboy (McDonald). So, someone with Tuneboy loads the map into his ECU. Once it's in the ECU, the format is irrelevant. Then he uses TuneECU to read the map in the ECU and saves it in the .hex format.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Nov 2012 - 00:38 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: Dougl) | | |
Dougl wrote:
Once it's in the ECU, the format is irrelevant.
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Thats exactly what i was thinking. Like doing a screen capture on your pc. Doesn't matter if it's a jpg or gif or your desktop or what.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | stevew | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 02/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 477 | | Location | : | Newcastle, N.S.W., Australia |
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| | Posted : 21 Nov 2012 - 01:21 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: Dougl) | | |
Dougl wrote:
The issue isn't how the maps are formatted. There are several custom Rocket tunes that were converted to hex, including one that I was using that had been posted by Wayne Tuneboy (McDonald). So, someone with Tuneboy loads the map into his ECU. Once it's in the ECU, the format is irrelevant. Then he uses TuneECU to read the map in the ECU and saves it in the .hex format.
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I have had a Tuneboy tune loaded in my bird for neary three years now,when you attach your Tune ECU cable and start up TuneECU it states that it is an unknown tune and cannot read it.
Tom Hamburg has been working on this problem for a very long time and the bottom line is ....Tune ECU will not read or recognise a Tuneboy tune that is loaded to the ECU.Maybe you could reverse the scenario and use the Tuneboy cable to access the ECU and see if that will allow you to save the loaded file as .hex.
Tuneboy cables are very dear and I am still looking for someone to give me one to try the above.
Cheers.
Steve
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Nov 2012 - 01:37 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: stevew) | | | Could be the version. Someone said the older versions would convert TB tunes but that Alain had to remove that feature due to legal reasons i assume were brought to thier attention from TB. But if thats the case, chances are even if we had the last version that does that it would be a version made before the Tbird was supported. So we'd still be out of luck.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | Dougl | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 544 | | Location | : | Reno, Nevada, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Nov 2012 - 01:38 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: stevew) | | | I've never used TuneEcu. I tried to get it to connect to my Rocket with my version 1 Tuneboy cable and it wouldn't connect so that was that. I do know that my Tuneboy tune, which I posted on a Rocket forum, showed up as a hex file on the TuneECU web site. Other Tuneboy custom Rocket tunes also made it onto the Tuneecu site as hex files. These had been read from the Rocket ecu's with TuneEcu. I don't know what's up with the T-bird and I have no intention of screwing with my T-bird, having wasted a shit load of time with this on the Rocket.
One nice thing about Tuneboy is that it interfaces with Dynojet's Tuning Link software. Supposedly Tuneboy now does real time tuning but not sure if this works with the T-bird.
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| | | fab | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,515 | | Location | : | wyong, nsw, Australia |
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| | Posted : 21 Nov 2012 - 09:20 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: stevew) | | | stevew wrote:
Dougl wrote:
The issue isn't how the maps are formatted. There are several custom Rocket tunes that were converted to hex, including one that I was using that had been posted by Wayne Tuneboy (McDonald). So, someone with Tuneboy loads the map into his ECU. Once it's in the ECU, the format is irrelevant. Then he uses TuneECU to read the map in the ECU and saves it in the .hex format.
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I have had a Tuneboy tune loaded in my bird for neary three years now,when you attach your Tune ECU cable and start up TuneECU it states that it is an unknown tune and cannot read it.
Tom Hamburg has been working on this problem for a very long time and the bottom line is ....Tune ECU will not read or recognise a Tuneboy tune that is loaded to the ECU.Maybe you could reverse the scenario and use the Tuneboy cable to access the ECU and see if that will allow you to save the loaded file as .hex.
Tuneboy cables are very dear and I am still looking for someone to give me one to try the above.
Cheers.
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hey Steve i have the tuneboy wifi (which is his latest setup) and mine comes up the same as yours unknown tune unable to read
it will tell you the model of the tune that is in your bike and ecu and chassis number but that's all ,i have loaded 3 different tunes from tune boys library and my custom tune.
Steve do you have a code key or did you just get the tunes loaded at your dyno man place?
i can start the bike and see a live feed of how its tuned and what is happening.
i think Wayne has encrypted it so the tune has to marry up with the code key and your bikes ecu and chassis number
i think this is fair as Wayne has spent alot of time to design this product.
as they say you get what you pay for,as far as i know tune ecu only does a 1 tune in your bike at a time where tuneboy has 3
1 for full power
2 for cruising
3 for wet weather
and these all work by just pulling your clutch in 6 times to change a tune on the fly
tuneboy also has
lunch control fully adjustable (which mine is set to 1500rpm)and then the rev limiter cuts in
traction control
and the ability to hook up a quick shifter if you want to be a racer boy
also a option for a rev limit light
i can also hook up the tuneboy wifi to the bike and connect it to my phone and down load info and watch it in real time
he also has a option that if your phone is in GPS mode it will automatically drop your speed in school zones
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Remember, soft cocks hang around all life long, hard ones come and go
ahh f**k im deep
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| | | Dougl | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 544 | | Location | : | Reno, Nevada, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Nov 2012 - 17:28 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: fab) | | | fab wrote:
stevew wrote:
Dougl wrote:
The issue isn't how the maps are formatted. There are several custom Rocket tunes that were converted to hex, including one that I was using that had been posted by Wayne Tuneboy (McDonald). So, someone with Tuneboy loads the map into his ECU. Once it's in the ECU, the format is irrelevant. Then he uses TuneECU to read the map in the ECU and saves it in the .hex format.
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I have had a Tuneboy tune loaded in my bird for neary three years now,when you attach your Tune ECU cable and start up TuneECU it states that it is an unknown tune and cannot read it.
Tom Hamburg has been working on this problem for a very long time and the bottom line is ....Tune ECU will not read or recognise a Tuneboy tune that is loaded to the ECU.Maybe you could reverse the scenario and use the Tuneboy cable to access the ECU and see if that will allow you to save the loaded file as .hex.
Tuneboy cables are very dear and I am still looking for someone to give me one to try the above.
Cheers.
Steve |
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hey Steve i have the tuneboy wifi (which is his latest setup) and mine comes up the same as yours unknown tune unable to read
it will tell you the model of the tune that is in your bike and ecu and chassis number but that's all ,i have loaded 3 different tunes from tune boys library and my custom tune.
Steve do you have a code key or did you just get the tunes loaded at your dyno man place?
i can start the bike and see a live feed of how its tuned and what is happening.
i think Wayne has encrypted it so the tune has to marry up with the code key and your bikes ecu and chassis number
i think this is fair as Wayne has spent alot of time to design this product.
as they say you get what you pay for,as far as i know tune ecu only does a 1 tune in your bike at a time where tuneboy has 3
1 for full power
2 for cruising
3 for wet weather
and these all work by just pulling your clutch in 6 times to change a tune on the fly
tuneboy also has
lunch control fully adjustable (which mine is set to 1500rpm)and then the rev limiter cuts in
traction control
and the ability to hook up a quick shifter if you want to be a racer boy
also a option for a rev limit light
i can also hook up the tuneboy wifi to the bike and connect it to my phone and down load info and watch it in real time
he also has a option that if your phone is in GPS mode it will automatically drop your speed in school zones |
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Your description of the new TB is amazing. I never made it to version 4. I assume you have the license key? When you installed the new cams, did they change the timing as well as fuel tables? Do you have the new tune?
| | Post edited by Dougl on 21 Nov 2012 - 17:29 |
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Nov 2012 - 18:27 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: Dougl) | | | It does sound good. I think the new PC has a similar thing where you can switch between 2 maps. You could have your tuner make one for power and one for MPG for long trips etc.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Nov 2012 - 18:33 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps | | | Just read this bit from Tom Hamburg concerning tuneecu reading TB maps...
It depends on the format of the TB map.
The new TB format (Live-format) can not be read with TuneECU. |
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So according to that it's the newest version of TB that cannot.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Nov 2012 - 19:04 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
Just read this bit from Tom Hamburg concerning tuneecu reading TB maps...
It depends on the format of the TB map.
The new TB format (Live-format) can not be read with TuneECU. |
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So according to that it's the newest version of TB that cannot. |
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And not the old version either. Wishful thinking.
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| | | fab | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,515 | | Location | : | wyong, nsw, Australia |
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| | Posted : 21 Nov 2012 - 20:33 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: Dougl) | | |
Dougl wrote:
fab wrote:
stevew wrote:
Dougl wrote:
The issue isn't how the maps are formatted. There are several custom Rocket tunes that were converted to hex, including one that I was using that had been posted by Wayne Tuneboy (McDonald). So, someone with Tuneboy loads the map into his ECU. Once it's in the ECU, the format is irrelevant. Then he uses TuneECU to read the map in the ECU and saves it in the .hex format.
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I have had a Tuneboy tune loaded in my bird for neary three years now,when you attach your Tune ECU cable and start up TuneECU it states that it is an unknown tune and cannot read it.
Tom Hamburg has been working on this problem for a very long time and the bottom line is ....Tune ECU will not read or recognise a Tuneboy tune that is loaded to the ECU.Maybe you could reverse the scenario and use the Tuneboy cable to access the ECU and see if that will allow you to save the loaded file as .hex.
Tuneboy cables are very dear and I am still looking for someone to give me one to try the above.
Cheers.
Steve |
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hey Steve i have the tuneboy wifi (which is his latest setup) and mine comes up the same as yours unknown tune unable to read
it will tell you the model of the tune that is in your bike and ecu and chassis number but that's all ,i have loaded 3 different tunes from tune boys library and my custom tune.
Steve do you have a code key or did you just get the tunes loaded at your dyno man place?
i can start the bike and see a live feed of how its tuned and what is happening.
i think Wayne has encrypted it so the tune has to marry up with the code key and your bikes ecu and chassis number
i think this is fair as Wayne has spent alot of time to design this product.
as they say you get what you pay for,as far as i know tune ecu only does a 1 tune in your bike at a time where tuneboy has 3
1 for full power
2 for cruising
3 for wet weather
and these all work by just pulling your clutch in 6 times to change a tune on the fly
tuneboy also has
lunch control fully adjustable (which mine is set to 1500rpm)and then the rev limiter cuts in
traction control
and the ability to hook up a quick shifter if you want to be a racer boy
also a option for a rev limit light
i can also hook up the tuneboy wifi to the bike and connect it to my phone and down load info and watch it in real time
he also has a option that if your phone is in GPS mode it will automatically drop your speed in school zones |
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Your description of the new TB is amazing. I never made it to version 4. I assume you have the license key? When you installed the new cams, did they change the timing as well as fuel tables? Do you have the new tune?
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yes i have the licence key,yes timing has been changed to suit new cams that were also decreed in on the cam sprocket its self.
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Remember, soft cocks hang around all life long, hard ones come and go
ahh f**k im deep
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Nov 2012 - 15:17 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: fab) | | | To me it seems so weird to have this bald face rumor in Tech Talk and Performance Mods.
Especially since in the title, the OP of the thread, has made a complete fabrication.
He never intended to say "how to convert maps." So, I call bullshit and would ask the OP to
take the incessant rumor milling into the Lounge and not pollute this space.
At least it turned into a technical discussion but with no input at all from the OP.
The thread title is tabloid at best.
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| | | Dougl | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 544 | | Location | : | Reno, Nevada, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Nov 2012 - 17:13 Post title : Re: TuneECU and tuneboy and how to convert maps (Re: DizzE) | | |
DizzE wrote:
To me it seems so weird to have this bald face rumor in Tech Talk and Performance Mods.
Especially since in the title, the OP of the thread, has made a complete fabrication.
He never intended to say "how to convert maps." So, I call bullshit and would ask the OP to
take the incessant rumor milling into the Lounge and not pollute this space.
At least it turned into a technical discussion but with no input at all from the OP.
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First, what is an OP? Second, how does the status of a rumor become bald face. With respect to truth, aren't all rumors basically at the same level of unsubstantiated bullshit?
It appears that no one on the planet has ever read a TB tune out of a TBird with TuneECU. Otherwise, they would have come forward.
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