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| | | daz | | Zeus |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Nov 2012 - 03:45 Post title : More triumphs added to the anti tamper list | | | only a matter of time till the bird is crippled. Link
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| | | ThunderRat | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 08/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,056 | | Location | : | Castle Hill, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 19 Nov 2012 - 03:53 Post title : Re: More triumphs added to the anti tamper list (Re: daz) | | | We are lucky as they can't retro fit the anti tamper software! My bike, my property and my decision if I want to modify it. If I am prpared to take the risk then why can they stop me?
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,515 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 19 Nov 2012 - 04:57 Post title : Re: More triumphs added to the anti tamper list (Re: ThunderRat) | | | Do other brands do this?
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| | | cnas122 | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 17/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 85 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Nov 2012 - 05:45 Post title : Re: More triumphs added to the anti tamper list (Re: Leethal) | |
| | | TBRider | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 21/10/2011 | | Posts | : | 834 | | Location | : | Foothills, The Mountains, United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Dec 2012 - 04:37 Post title : Re: More triumphs added to the anti tamper list (Re: daz) | | | daz wrote:
only a matter of time till the bird is crippled. Link |
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You know Daz, I think you and I stated this several times in the recent past. Knew it was coming, now it's fact. Triumph being a small manfacture, is only attempting to protect themselves from fraudlant warranty claims, due to improper tuning. You really can't blame them.
I appreciate the fact, people enjoy tuning for more performance but there are those who have no business messing around with ECU parmeters, no matter how easy they believe it is. My dealer and I've done some limited tweaking with respect to dyno tuning, but nothing more. I also realize, my tweaking is quickly reversible and safe with the use Power Commander and Auto Tune.
Tuning the ECU is fine if you realize, you're responsible for whatever occurs. 
However, you could purchase a 2010 or 2011 model Keihin ECU, tweak it, run it instead of the non-tamperable unit.  They run between $350-$400 at salvage. Always choices to get around it. Only hitch, if they intall the anti-tampering software on previous models which are still on warranty. They have proposed this already during scheduled warranty visits. You might waste $350.00 trying to find out.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Dec 2012 - 15:52 Post title : Re: More triumphs added to the anti tamper list (Re: TBRider) | | | Well, whether i can blame them remains to be seen and depends on exactly how this protection works. As of today what i know leads me to feel they DO deserve blame. I absolutely agree with thier reason for doing it, but i feel they are doing it wrongly, but again that depends on the details which i am now sure of. But my reasoning is this....it's MY bike and they have no moral right to change it so that i cannot do with it what i wish. In fact, even w/o knowing the exact details i still think it's not thier place. If they want to do this i can agree fully with them if they do it in the following way. Make it so it can be unlocked by them at any time and no longer has the protection, and 2, allow the owner to have it unlocked any time they wish even during the warranty period but only IF they agree in writing that the engine's warranty is now void. After the warranty period it should be a simple matter of riding to the dealer and asking for it to be unlocked and it should be a simple free procedure.
Now thats all just one idea of how to go about it. But however they do my point and the reason i do assign blame to some degree is that the bike does belong to me, not them, and if i want to tune it they should have no right to stop me unless i want my warranty to be in effect. They can sell it like that and theres no legal reason they can't. But unless they are willing to make it a system that only protects them and does not cripple it past that point then IMO they deserve blame. What if i bought it to build a racer for track use? Would they refund my money when i told them i now realize i cannot use the bike for the purpose i bought it for? It just doesn't hold water for me past the point it protects them, but the problem is it goes past that to an infinite degree.
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| | | intimidator32 | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2012 | | Posts | : | 913 | | Location | : | lexington, ky, United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Dec 2012 - 18:07 Post title : Re: More triumphs added to the anti tamper list (Re: daz) | | | just a good way to lose business if you ask me. is that worth a few bad warranty claims
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| | Post edited by intimidator32 on 04 Dec 2012 - 18:07 |
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| | | TBRider | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 21/10/2011 | | Posts | : | 834 | | Location | : | Foothills, The Mountains, United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Dec 2012 - 20:42 Post title : Re: More triumphs added to the anti tamper list (Re: daz) | | | I think the idea is; they want the dealer and customer to be engaged in performance tuning. Now, I understand it's our motorcycles and agree with your sentiments but you have to deal with the same thing in every automobile and 90% of the motorcycles produced today. I think, if you had the intent to modify the motorcycle, then you're prepared to exclude the warranty as specified. The same goes for racing it.
I don't like it much either but there are alternatives.
One thing we haven't taken in consideration is and I hate to say it; pollution standards and requirements, may also demand it.
intimidator32 wrote:
just a good way to lose business if you ask me. is that worth a few bad warranty claims |
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As I understand, it's not just a few, there in lye's the problem. Of course if you take this stance, then you may as well exclude many other motorcycle and automobile producers, who've been doing it now for quite a few years. It's just another thing we're going to have to deal with. Certainly not the end of the world. They build another better mouse trap, we just adapt. ie Power Commander and other piggy back systems.
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| | Post edited by TBRider on 04 Dec 2012 - 21:09 |
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Dec 2012 - 21:03 Post title : Re: More triumphs added to the anti tamper list (Re: TBRider) | | | Well, regardless of the morality and legality of it all, they will suffer if they make it impenitrable. But i don't think they can. No matter what they do there will always be ways around it and guys like tuneboy will hack it because they have too much to lose and a lot to gain. If it's even humanly possible it will be hacked. Even tuneECU will eventually figure it out i'm sure. So i don't think it's a dealbreaker, but it IS a hurdle. Thankfully we won't have to worry bout it.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | TBRider | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 21/10/2011 | | Posts | : | 834 | | Location | : | Foothills, The Mountains, United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Dec 2012 - 21:10 Post title : Re: More triumphs added to the anti tamper list (Re: daz) | | | Yep, always ways to overt the issue and a good programer can do wonders with the right motivation. Absolutely, no worries!
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