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| | | Rodge | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 07/08/2012 | | Posts | : | 85 | | Location | : | Devon, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 04 Nov 2012 - 15:34 Post title : Longhaul Passenger Seat Bracket | | | Hi Guys,
My bike came with a longhaul dual seat and I changed to a longhaul rider's single seat pretty much straight away. I've now bought a longhaul passenger seat to go with it instead of making the full change-out on the odd occasion the missus comes with me.
The new passenger seat came with a bracket but no bolts, and there's no bolts in the 2 threaded holes on the fender. I have a pair of bolts with the right metric thread, but the holes in the bracket are much bigger so the thing would not locate properly.
There's no bolts shown on any diagram I can find, but I expect the right ones have a spacer or a shoulder which takes up the slack. I'm also guessing that when most folks change to the longhaul passenger seat they reuse the bolts that came with the bike (and I don't have).
I expect I'm gonna need a Triumph part, but it would be handy if I knew what exactly I was asking for if I need to visit the dealer.
Can anyone shed a little light please?
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| | | mjgt | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,201 | | Location | : | North Somerset, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 04 Nov 2012 - 15:44 Post title : Re: Longhaul Passenger Seat Bracket (Re: Rodge) | | | Rodge
Make sure you have the newer bracket as it was replaced about a year ago and some of the holes are a diffrent size/shape.
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| | | Rodge | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 07/08/2012 | | Posts | : | 85 | | Location | : | Devon, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 04 Nov 2012 - 18:39 Post title : Re: Longhaul Passenger Seat Bracket (Re: mjgt) | | |
mjgt wrote:
Rodge
Make sure you have the newer bracket as it was replaced about a year ago and some of the holes are a diffrent size/shape. |
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Thanks for the reply Mick. I'd spotted there was an issue like that from my trawl on the forum - there's a sort of locating pin on the seat, isn't there, which appears to have changes sides hence the issue you warn of. Useful advice though.
The bracket came with the brand new seat pad from Triumph so fits the seat properly. The bolt holes for the bike line up too, so all seems fine apart from the lack of the right bolts. You'd have hoped that they could have popped a pair in when they're charging over a hundred quid, wouldn't you? 
Steve
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| | | cnas122 | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 17/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 85 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Nov 2012 - 19:31 Post title : Re: Longhaul Passenger Seat Bracket (Re: Rodge) | | | My guess is that when the deal added the dual long haul, they just kept the bolts. So when you got the passenger seat, they assumed you already had the proper bolts because they come stock with the bike (except yours came with the dual)
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| | | Rodge | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 07/08/2012 | | Posts | : | 85 | | Location | : | Devon, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 04 Nov 2012 - 23:00 Post title : Re: Longhaul Passenger Seat Bracket (Re: cnas122) | | |
cnas122 wrote:
My guess is that when the deal added the dual long haul, they just kept the bolts. So when you got the passenger seat, they assumed you already had the proper bolts because they come stock with the bike (except yours came with the dual) |
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Good guess too I reckon. Not the same dealer now, but I think the bolts and the bike parted company in the 800miles before she was mine - and most likely when the stock seat was replaced by the longhaul dual, which I'm guessing was on delivery.
What I need to know now is, what are the bolts that should be there? A part number, diagram reference or a photo would be great, since it's hard to find what I need to get when I don't know what I'm looking for! If anyone can shed light on that I'd be grateful.
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| | | fab | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,515 | | Location | : | wyong, nsw, Australia |
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| | Posted : 05 Nov 2012 - 01:08 Post title : Re: Longhaul Passenger Seat Bracket (Re: Rodge) | | | they are the same as your riders seat bolts
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| | | Rodge | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 07/08/2012 | | Posts | : | 85 | | Location | : | Devon, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 05 Nov 2012 - 10:14 Post title : Re: Longhaul Passenger Seat Bracket (Re: fab) | | |
fab wrote:
they are the same as your riders seat bolts |
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Oh, you mean the allen headed bolts just above the side panels that someone has made long versions of? I hadn't thought of that as I don't remember them having/needing a shoulder or a spacer to make them a snug fit in the seat side bracket. I haven't been there much though - the dual seat came off and the Longhaul Single went on and pretty much has stayed there. This issue only came to light when the longhaul passenger seat arrived with a bracket and no bolts (the diameter of the holes in the new underseat bracket is much bigger than the outside diameter of the correctly threaded bolt). It would make sense if they were the same though, so I'll have a look later on.
Thanks for the thought Fab.
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| | Posted : 05 Nov 2012 - 14:19 Post title : Re: Longhaul Passenger Seat Bracket (Re: Rodge) | | | The pillion bracket bolts are hex-head, not allen, but the threads may be the same (I never checked on mine). The bracket holes are larger than the bolt shank, though. Probably for alignment purposes. I don't have the part number handy, but you might get lucky on Bike Bandit or MADDS, or another aftermarket source.
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| | | AleXL4 | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 17/09/2012 | | Posts | : | 571 | | Location | : | Gympie, Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 05 Nov 2012 - 15:39 Post title : Re: Longhaul Passenger Seat Bracket (Re: Rodge) | | | Hello Rodge,
Try this link. Link
It may have what you're looking for.
Cheers Alex
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| | | Rodge | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 07/08/2012 | | Posts | : | 85 | | Location | : | Devon, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 05 Nov 2012 - 17:47 Post title : Re: Longhaul Passenger Seat Bracket (Re: AleXL4) | | |
Ha! That's the ticket! Thanks Alex!  Thanks to all for the other replies and suggestions too.
Fantastic link that - reversing up it, I've now found exploded diagrams and part numbers for pretty much everything. I guess it must be a sticky on here somewhere, but I'd missed it so thanks again.
I didn't think the bolts I was after were the same as the seat side bolts, but I tried those anyway this aft in response to an earlier reply and they didn't seem right. So now I have a part number for the right ones, which is exactly what I was looking for. 
Trouble is, I've now discovered the whole thing isn't quite what I was hoping for. I was expecting to leave the bracket in place and simply take off or put on the longhaul passenger seat using just the rear bolt. Sadly, the bit of black ironmongery that is the bracket is left exposed just behind the rider's seat and looks crap, so I'll still have to have the front seat off to remove the bracket before I can go single seat.
A defeat from the jaws of victory there - my changeover time from single to dual seat or back again just got longer!! 
Anyone found the same thing and worked out a way to improve the look so the bracket can be left on? Is there a rack that uses it or something else that covers it up perhaps? 
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| | Posted : 05 Nov 2012 - 19:41 Post title : Re: Longhaul Passenger Seat Bracket (Re: Rodge) | | | Ditto! Pain in the ass, when it could/should be a one bolt swap, eh?? But no fix to-date. Knurled heads might be an option, but you'd need to have small fingers to get to them without removing the rider seat.
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| | | Rodge | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 07/08/2012 | | Posts | : | 85 | | Location | : | Devon, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 05 Nov 2012 - 22:30 Post title : Re: Longhaul Passenger Seat Bracket (Re: bnz433) | | | bnz433 wrote:
Ditto! Pain in the ass,...... |
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I might have known. Bad enough they couldn't have popped a couple of bolts in with the >100 GBP package (which is what started this thread) and now I've bought a new seat arrangement to achieve a quick n easy seat swap only to find they'd not done the bleeding obvious. Fooled me - I thought it was such a glaring prerequisite of the longhaul rider single + longhaul passenger pairing that I didn't have the faintest thought to research that they hadn't buggered up the opportunity. 
Oh well, at least the rider seat is comfy. I'll suppose I could always leave the ugly bracket on show and avert my eyes? Maybe I won't even notice the bracket, eh? 
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| | Post edited by Rodge on 05 Nov 2012 - 22:34 |
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