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| Dougl | | Chaac |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 13/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 544 | | Location | : | Reno, Nevada, United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2012 - 03:13 Post title : Big Bore Break In | | | I just got the BB installed.
When I bought the 1600, they were very specific - determine the rpm at 70 mph in 6th, don't exceed it up to 100 miles, then add 1000 rpm at each 100 mile interval.
This time, the mechanic said just to be conservative.
Can anyone tell me what they were told by their dealers or mechanics about the break in procedure after installing the BB?
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| daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2012 - 03:48 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: Dougl) | | | Mickey told me just ride it normally after he installed the BB. The one thing that is typically said tho and i feel is logical is don't run at one constant speed for any length of time. I did just as he said and mine seems to run strong and never has problems. I'm quite sure no matter how you break it in as long as you don't ride it to one extreme or the other it's will break in just fine.
So how do you like it so far? It WILL get better as you break it in. I feel like when i got the BB installed, the way it ran immediately after was probably 70-80% of the total gains over the 1600 that it would eventually have once broken in. So don't feel too worried if you feel it's not that much stronger. If you don't mind some volume, once you have some miles you can try decat by using a $5 90 degree elbow cut in half (sure you've read all about that) to replace the cat and Dizze's decat tune. If you want power, that along with the BB being broken in will have you feeling a lot more power than you do now. I've demo'd the R3 so i know how brutal that thing is, and this isn't gonna get you there. But it will be one hell of a lot closer than the 1600 ever would. It's actually got a bit of the R3's white knuckle feel going on, and i'm sure you'll feel a lot less like you're missing anything.
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| Smitty | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 996 | | Location | : | Hawkesbury, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2012 - 04:00 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: Dougl) | | |
Dougl wrote:
When I bought the 1600, they were very specific - determine the rpm at 70 mph in 6th, don't exceed it up to 100 miles, then add 1000 rpm at each 100 mile interval.
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The Dealer told me a similar thing. He said...... well that is what i'm told I have to tell you..
He added........... But in reality, just ride it without thrashing it and don't remain at constant revs in the one gear....
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| Dougl | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 544 | | Location | : | Reno, Nevada, United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2012 - 05:14 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: Smitty) | | | It may only be an R2. But I really like the 104 ci emblem. So should I wait until 300 miles to run it to 5000 rpm?
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| Druid | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,359 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2012 - 09:57 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: Smitty) | | | 100 mile dont rag it too much after that ride normaly which im my case was smash the pants off it from time to time then oil change after 500 miles and do what you like . So I did . Oh yes dont keep the same revs continuously.
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| DizzE | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2012 - 14:07 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: Druid) | | | Well, I didn't follow what a complete Know Nothing said. I did my research. In racing, they break in Pistons and
liners all the time. New materials mean a different approach for an Aluminum engine.
What I did, is the racing method. It is the opposite of what "they" say.
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A new engine is broken in by following specific driving guidelines during the first few hours of its use. The focus of breaking in an engine is on the contact between the piston rings of the engine and the cylinder wall. There is no universal preparation or set of instructions for breaking in an engine. Most importantly, experts disagree on whether it is better to start engines on high or low power to break them in. Link ------
I followed the high power procedure. It is also useful for breaking in that new transmission.
I went from the dealer's to the twisties. And I cut it up, hard and fast, but not above 4000. I only went for 20 miles.
Then, I just did normal driving on the Freeway for 100 miles, various RPM. Passing, slowing down, etc. Just didn't run at the same RPM for more than a minute or so.
I experienced a noticeable increase in torque and saw it's hump move down the range. When I first got it, the torque didn't really begin
until 2800.  Yow! After about 500 miles the beefy torque feeling had move down to 2200. Very satisfactory.
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| Dougl | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 544 | | Location | : | Reno, Nevada, United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2012 - 15:29 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: DizzE) | | |
DizzE wrote:
Well, I didn't follow what a complete Know Nothing said. I did my research. In racing, they break in Pistons and
liners all the time. New materials mean a different approach for an Aluminum engine.
What I did, is the racing method. It is the opposite of what "they" say.
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A new engine is broken in by following specific driving guidelines during the first few hours of its use. The focus of breaking in an engine is on the contact between the piston rings of the engine and the cylinder wall. There is no universal preparation or set of instructions for breaking in an engine. Most importantly, experts disagree on whether it is better to start engines on high or low power to break them in. Link ------
I followed the high power procedure. It is also useful for breaking in that new transmission.
I went from the dealer's to the twisties. And I cut it up, hard and fast, but not above 4000. I only went for 20 miles.
Then, I just did normal driving on the Freeway for 100 miles, various RPM. Passing, slowing down, etc. Just didn't run at the same RPM for more than a minute or so.
I experienced a noticeable increase in torque and saw it's hump move down the range. When I first got it, the torque didn't really begin
until 2800. Yow! After about 500 miles the beefy torque feeling had move down to 2200. Very satisfactory.
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Thanks for the link. I like the fact the "experts disagree". It seems like whichever method you use, most of the break in of the rings is in the first 1/2 hour. The mechanics rode my bike for about 30 miles so I assume most of the break in is already done. Since I'm OCD, I tend to like to follow strict regimes. I picked the BB up yesterday and didn't run it past 2500 rpm, but it felt pretty nice.
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2012 - 16:28 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: Dougl) | | | I wouldn't run it that low during break in ! 2500 is fine, but making that the max? That to me says lugging, probably the worse thing you could do anytime let alone break in. I would not run below 2000, and at 2500 max that's only a 500 RPM window. If i were you i would be running it between 2000 and 3000, trying to keep it over 2000 as much as you can. 2000 isn't lugging it, but I think just getting close isn't good. This is just opinion and i don't know shit. But I think i'm pretty in tune with the bike and i believe i posses a reasonably good degree of logic, and this seems logical to me, especially having ridding this bike for 25k. I just really believe this bike will run and wear and break in best at least a couple three hundred RPM's over 2k. Especially when new. I also believe the bike isn't truly broken in for several thousand miles. Mine seemed to free up and gain power almost overnight at around 4000 miles, and i didn't nothing that could account for that.
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2012 - 19:31 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: daz) | | | I agree with Daz. I ran my 1600 in for 1000 miles (only took a week) and it sounds really sweet now. Have it to do all over again in a few weeks 
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| Druid | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,359 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2012 - 19:48 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: mat1600) | | | We were just joshin with ya matt the bb kit is a waste of money .........
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2012 - 20:07 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: mat1600) | | | Don't tell me you're getting yet another bird ! or are we talking BB?
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2012 - 22:49 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: daz) | | | BB and hopefully a Rocket 3 in the new year.
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| Dougl | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 544 | | Location | : | Reno, Nevada, United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2012 - 23:17 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: mat1600) | |
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Oct 2012 - 23:41 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: mat1600) | | |
mat1600 wrote:
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Geez, have fun Mr Moneybags !  But yeah, I'm kinda thinking like Doug. I'd have one of the other but both seems like a bit too much of the same sorta thing. I'd probably be looking at that guzzi or something very different like that. But whatever you get i'm sure the other owners will be glad you got one when they start installing your bits you'll come up with on them.  But don't forget us and the spindles ! I think my new one is worse than the original and i can feel it giving out already even at less than 100 Nm. At this reat i'll be paying as much for spindles as fooking tires ! Come to think of it, i may join you and sell this spindle eating tire raping bird and get a R3.
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 13 Oct 2012 - 08:23 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: daz) | | | There is nothing on this planet (or any other) that will make me get rid of the Bird. It's here to stay - end of.
I have been looking for another bike for long trips and have tried the Pan's ,FJR's and such. Although they are great bikes they become very top heavy with pillion and luggage when i'm holding it all up on my tip toes. So I thought about an all out touring R3 - it sort of does everything.
I had planned to do the big bore at around my 24k miles service so took the pleasure in booking it in for the first week in Nov.
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| mjgt | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,201 | | Location | : | North Somerset, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 13 Oct 2012 - 11:14 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: mat1600) | | | Get longer legs 
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| DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Oct 2012 - 14:36 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: mat1600) | | |
mat1600 wrote:
I agree with Daz. I ran my 1600 in for 1000 miles (only took a week) and it sounds really sweet now. Have it to do all over again in a few weeks |
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That first 1000 can just blow by. It took me a bit longer than a week. 
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 13 Oct 2012 - 19:01 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: mjgt) | | |
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Looked into that, but doners are not easy to come by........ and the price was way over what I wanted to spend on longer legs. So today I tested out the R3.
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| zolti | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 13 Oct 2012 - 21:21 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: mat1600) | | | one word mat......
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| mjgt | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,201 | | Location | : | North Somerset, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 14 Oct 2012 - 14:41 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: zolti) | | | zolti wrote:
one word mat......
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There you go mat, this forum is trying it's best to help with up to the minute sugestions, dig out your old Gary Glitter gear and you have instant longer legs.
Aren't you glad we are here to help you
How did you get on with the R3?
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 14 Oct 2012 - 15:07 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: mjgt) | | |
mjgt wrote:
zolti wrote:
one word mat......
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There you go mat, this forum is trying it's best to help with up to the minute sugestions, dig out your old Gary Glitter gear and you have instant longer legs.
Aren't you glad we are here to help you
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Bugger. I got rid of my Gary glitter stuff - traded it for a Jimmy saville kit.
I liked the R3 But got really bad buffeting from the screen, great bike to ride and a blast on motorway riding. Thirsty as hell though. Easy handling and can be chucked around with relative ease. City travel was simple enough but you are constantly remined that it is an agricultural machine - ploughing matches could be concoured with little effort. Tis not to be though as Mrs1600 was not as comfy on it as she is on the TBird - the pillion pegs are closer to the pillion than the Birds although she did like the comfort of the seat and noticed the great torque of the thing.
I was pleased to be back on the TBird, thinking that if I really enjoyed the R3 I may have wanted to swap fully - but that is not to be. It didn't have the nimbility of the TBird and other than being better on a motorway I would not be gaining anything at all - and who the hell would want to spend lots of time on a motor way anyway.
The 50 mile ride home was great, knowing that I still can't match my choice of bike, and to be honest, when you work the Bird hard it is not far behind the smiles you get on an R3.
So , it's onto the BB in November and a nice set of lockable cases and bingo - I have my ultimate tourer, the bike that does everyting so well, the bike that I already own.( and saved myself 8 - 10k)
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Oct 2012 - 15:37 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: mat1600) | | | Thats exactly how i felt when i demo'd one Mat, and i was on a speedmaster at the time ! On the way home i was loving the speedy and thinking to myself how much better i liked it....ASIDE of course from the obvious. But as insanely powerful as the R3 was, and as much as i'm a whore for power, i would never trade power only for the rest of the whole package. Maybe given time on the R3 i'd feel different. But for near perfection i see no reason to look further then the Tbird. I'd still like to up the power, but the way it is right now with decat i can easily be happy with it. But of course the search for power never ends till it kills you.
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 14 Oct 2012 - 15:54 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: daz) | | | For me, power is only a small bit of my mc needs. Useability and handling make up other greater needs. i thought I could better it by looking at the big Jap tourers, but not one of them tick all the boxes so I went home happy with the TBird and a happy pillion.
The BB for me is to get the power I need when carrying pillion and luggage. Not that Mrs1600 is at all weighty in any way - and I don't notice her on the bike, but when you get bagged up and you have full Himalayan kit on, the bike is coming at just short of half a ton.
I am hopeing that the BB wil get me the same performance fully kitted as though I am single riding with no extras. Although, I have never been let down or left behind because of the weight. On tours I am one of the only riders that have pillion and it never has bothered me. I once raced a friend on his Tiger 1050 through the Black Forest in Germany ( me fully kitted and with pillion) and he had a job getting past me - when he did he couldn't pull away, so it never fails to amaze me what you can squeeze out of the 1600 motor. (And Mrs1600 filmed it all)
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| Dougl | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 544 | | Location | : | Reno, Nevada, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Oct 2012 - 16:54 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: mat1600) | | | The 1600 is not exactly a slouch and you will probably be happy with the BB when you have 2-up. It's not R3 torque but it's definitely more.
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| Linkdog | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,952 | | Location | : | Groveland, FL., United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Oct 2012 - 16:56 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: mat1600) | | |
mat1600 wrote:
mjgt wrote:
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But I thought you grew up by the Congo and you got short legs? What are you , a pogo stick Any way I had the chance to demo the R3 roadster and man what a torque beast reminded me of when I drove my 70 Charger R/T.
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 14 Oct 2012 - 17:07 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: Linkdog) | | |
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I like to think so.
i enjoyed the R3R but couldn't get comfy on it.
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| shagrat57 | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/12/2011 | | Posts | : | 393 | | Location | : | Totton, Hampshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 24 Nov 2012 - 16:50 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: mat1600) | | | Just got my BB installed with a 6000 mile service for a grand, after a little negotiation and the fact that the guys in my dealer's workshop were kicking their heels looking for something to do. So I was in a pretty good position to bargain.
Bike's being delivered back on Monday (which is OK as it's pissing down today and I'm out with Mrs Shagrat tomorrow).
The knob at the dealer said just keep it under 70 mph for the first 500 miles and take it easy at the beginning, gradually using more revs towards the end of the break in period. And of course don't let it labour (something I never ever do).
Can't wait to try it out and just hope the cost was worth it
I already have the short TORS and decat with hi-flow filter, but they did say it sounded quite a bit louder than before (and it was effing loud before)
Just hope I still have the wonderful popping & banging on decel (I love that)
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| shagrat57 | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/12/2011 | | Posts | : | 393 | | Location | : | Totton, Hampshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 28 Nov 2012 - 12:25 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: shagrat57) | | | Ok, finally took the Bird to work this morning and can definitely notice stronger pulling in the mid-range. I'm sure it's louder too with a slightly deeper note on tickover. Still in the early stages of running in, and I'm hoping it'll get stronger over time as several people here have suggested.
One thing I'm a little disappointed about is that the wonderful popping and banging on decel seems to have disappeared. Will it come back in time or has it gone forever? 
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 28 Nov 2012 - 12:32 Post title : Re: Big Bore Break In (Re: shagrat57) | | | I am at the same stage as you but I still have the popping on decel. But yes it is louder.
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