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| | | GerPa | | Jupiter |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/12/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,919 | | Location | : | Mackay, Central Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 07 Oct 2012 - 23:20 Post title : Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" | | |  I have pawed through the various threads on this subject a number of times and are still none the wiser. Maybe I am just dumb
I have communicated with Dennis Foran and He says"no" and that the tune should be 20306. I dont want to rattle the "Warranty Cage" and the local dealer is not the smartest on this stuff.
Here in Australia for a Late Model 2011 ( May 2011) Thunderbird 1600 fitted with "Aftermarket Exhausts (shorties) AND Sports Aircleaner" the Triumph Dealers in Brisbane say that the correct Tune is a 20359. and My bike has got 20359.
If you remove the Cat can somene tell me do you have to change the tune? YES or No.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 07 Oct 2012 - 23:52 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: GerPa) | | | There is no standard triumph tune for decat. If you remove the cat and have pipes other than stock, there is no tune for that. Any tune you use will be a compromise. With the best triumph tune for your bike, which would be 20359, you may run lean, you may feel a loss of power, you may feel nothing is much different. There is no proper tune for a decatted 1600. The 1700 is a different story ONLY BECAUSE Dizze had his catless 1700 dyno tuned and has shared the map with us. The guys like dennis making catless pipes for the bird are not going to tell you the truth because the truth would cause a lot of people to pass on thier pipes. But the truth is there is no proper tune for decat with aftermarket pipes. You may find the tors tune will work good with stock pipes and decat, but with both there is much less restriction. The bike will run with the tors tune, but they makers will not tell you the results may not be great....loss of power or at best no change in power, possible popping, lean condition, etc etc.
So the answer is no. However, look in the tune repository section and also the performance and even dyno results sections because I think theres one person who's added the fuel tables Dizze's decat map into a 1600 map. Theres a couple people who've done that kind of thing and i think one is as i described, others may be for bikes WITH cat. In any case, aside from that the answer is there is no official triumph tune for your bike with decat. Get yourself the 1700 kit installed with dizze's decat tune and you'll be a very happy rider. Loads of power there.
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2012 - 00:11 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: GerPa) | | |
GerPa wrote:
I have pawed through the various threads on this subject a number of times and are still none the wiser. Maybe I am just dumb
I have communicated with Dennis Foran and He says"no" and that the tune should be 20306. I dont want to rattle the "Warranty Cage" and the local dealer is not the smartest on this stuff.
Here in Australia for a Late Model 2011 ( May 2011) Thunderbird 1600 fitted with "Aftermarket Exhausts (shorties) AND Sports Aircleaner" the Triumph Dealers in Brisbane say that the correct Tune is a 20359. and My bike has got 20359.
If you remove the Cat can somene tell me do you have to change the tune? YES or No.
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I would say YES (to get the best from it). here is the link to Silverfish post where he has a tune for the 1600. I know you aren't set up with Tunecu and neither am I, but this may be the only option for us if we go no cat. Link Talk-Performance Mods.-Tune Repository)&InSkin=Silver&InPage=1
Which dealer did you ask mate, because I know that Virginia were selling a bypass pipe kit so you would have to think that they were retuning to suit. I will ask SW the question, just waiting for the head mech to return from leave.
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2012 - 00:20 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: Leethal) | | | Thats not made with any tables or any settings from dizze's decat map tho. It's just takes them from the 1700 tors map, and i really doubt thats optimal at all. It may work fine, but chances it will be optimal are very unlikely i would think.
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| | | GerPa | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/12/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,919 | | Location | : | Mackay, Central Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2012 - 02:15 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: Leethal) | | |
Leethal wrote:
GerPa wrote:
I have pawed through the various threads on this subject a number of times and are still none the wiser. Maybe I am just dumb
I have communicated with Dennis Foran and He says"no" and that the tune should be 20306. I dont want to rattle the "Warranty Cage" and the local dealer is not the smartest on this stuff.
Here in Australia for a Late Model 2011 ( May 2011) Thunderbird 1600 fitted with "Aftermarket Exhausts (shorties) AND Sports Aircleaner" the Triumph Dealers in Brisbane say that the correct Tune is a 20359. and My bike has got 20359.
If you remove the Cat can somene tell me do you have to change the tune? YES or No.
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I would say YES (to get the best from it). here is the link to Silverfish post where he has a tune for the 1600. I know you aren't set up with Tunecu and neither am I, but this may be the only option for us if we go no cat. Link Talk-Performance Mods.-Tune Repository)&InSkin=Silver&InPage=1
Which dealer did you ask mate, because I know that Virginia were selling a bypass pipe kit so you would have to think that they were retuning to suit. I will ask SW the question, just waiting for the head mech to return from leave. |
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Hi Lee. Yes it was Team Moto @ Virginnia, I think??? it was Richard their Sales Manager that returned My call and confirmed that for my bike I should be using 20359. It will be interesting if they are selling a decat to see what answer you get. As that may very well be the final answer.
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,520 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2012 - 03:24 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
Thats not made with any tables or any settings from dizze's decat map tho. It's just takes them from the 1700 tors map, and i really doubt thats optimal at all. It may work fine, but chances it will be optimal are very unlikely i would think. |
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That link went to the wrong page, don't know why, on the first page from Silverfish is this :-
Yesturday I tried DizzE's tune "withcat-noO2sensor-20310.hex" and went for a ride. Seemed a little rough on my bike with some popping on decel. Also a fuel smell at idle. I must admit I was a little nervous running the 1700 tune in my 1600 with the cam timing differences, so this morning I used tune 20306 as a base and dumped all the F and L tables into it from tune 20310. No other mods! This seems to work quite well. Very smooth with hardly any popping and pulled really well from cruising speed in 6th. I think the top end is a little rich (4-6.5k). I'm planning to dyno this tune and see what I get out of it.
My set up:
'10 TBird 1600 with cat, SAI, shorty TORS and Triumph freeflow filter.
Is this a modded Dizze 1700 tune?
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| | | peteronkarra | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 830 | | Location | : | Karragarra Island, Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2012 - 03:52 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: GerPa) | | | GerPa, after much pouring over the tune repository and the tuneecu maps myself.
This is what I have to offer.
20306 is the 1600 tor map for models with SAI and 20359 is the 1600 tor map for models without SAI, mine is a 2009 with the 20306 map loaded.
As far as I can tell comparing the maps the only difference is one has the SAI on and the has it turned off.
I think Daz is right about the content of Silverfish's map. I understand he copied the fuel tables from the 20310 map which is the 1700 tor map with SAI, into the 20306 map. No change to ignition tables. I think the SAI is also turned off in Silverfish's uploaded map.
There was a post in the tune repository "I think" that some one with a 1600 used Sliverfish's map but had more success " less popping on decel" with the SAI turned back on.
I guess you'd have to be fairly lucky to feed a 1600 the fuel for a 1700 with much different cams while using the 1600 timing and get it spot on but from what I read its worked out ok for the guys that have done it.
I hope to do some work on this problem ( no decat map for 1600) after Far Cairn run but it takes me a fair while to do anything so dont hold your breath.
Lee I've got the cable for the tuneecu connection if you need it.
Cheers
Peter
Lee just saw your post.
No, Dizze's decat map for 1700 is big time different to to the one silverfish posted.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2012 - 04:14 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: Leethal) | | | Leethal wrote:
daz wrote:
Thats not made with any tables or any settings from dizze's decat map tho. It's just takes them from the 1700 tors map, and i really doubt thats optimal at all. It may work fine, but chances it will be optimal are very unlikely i would think. |
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That link went to the wrong page, don't know why, on the first page from Silverfish is this :-
Yesturday I tried DizzE's tune "withcat-noO2sensor-20310.hex" and went for a ride. Seemed a little rough on my bike with some popping on decel. Also a fuel smell at idle. I must admit I was a little nervous running the 1700 tune in my 1600 with the cam timing differences, so this morning I used tune 20306 as a base and dumped all the F and L tables into it from tune 20310. No other mods! This seems to work quite well. Very smooth with hardly any popping and pulled really well from cruising speed in 6th. I think the top end is a little rich (4-6.5k). I'm planning to dyno this tune and see what I get out of it.
My set up:
'10 TBird 1600 with cat, SAI, shorty TORS and Triumph freeflow filter.
Is this a modded Dizze 1700 tune? |
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Yes, but note that says WITH cat. He posts another tune that he says he's using w/o cat but it doesn't use Dizzes tune for anything, it's just 1600 and 1700 triumph tunes (i think both tors) combined to give 1700 tors fueling with 1600 timing i think. But in any case it's not going to give optimal fueling because they are made for use with cat.
You know, if someone with a 1600 that wants an optimal decat tune and lives near the tuner that dyno'd Dizze's bike, (Marc Salvisberg in north Ca) you might try and recruit others who want the same and you could all go in on the cost and have a proper map. The reason i mention Marc is he's one of the only tuners in the states that will dyno tune your bike with tuneecu. Then everyone who goes in on the cost will get the map but won't have to put out the $500 for something like tuneboy because they can use the free (aside from a $10-20 cable) tuneECU app to load it.
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,520 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2012 - 04:31 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: daz) | | | Ok mate, I bloody missed that, trying to answer at work isn't a smart option I guess.
I'm going to phone my dealer now and see if the man is back yet. Watch this space.
Edit:- Yeah ok, they only use the tors tune, I gather it's a Triumph UK thing, you are a dealer, you don't put other tunes in. Fair enough.
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2012 - 05:06 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: Leethal) | | | Geez I would hate to see you guys have a root, would it be a committee decision?
I've been using Mr Silverfish's adaption of the 20306 Dizze hybrid tune with SAI turned off, I'm running catless Forans and all is good, it still pops on decel but with the Forans even the pops are horny, I can crack a little wheelie when the fuel tank is almost empty so it still has plenty of grunt with the tune.
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,520 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2012 - 07:00 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: rabbi) | | | Well I don't think you would want to see any of us rooting  unless that turns you on.  BTW Rabs what is your bird?
The thing is, you don't want to get tunes wrong or get the wrong tune, it can be expensive in the long and short term. So that is why we discuss, to get it right.'
Peter we can throw this around over a few sherberts at the flocking, I'm in no hurry either, but when I get around to it doing it once(or twice ) and doing it right is my thing.
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2012 - 08:35 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: Leethal) | | |
Leethal wrote:
Well I don't think you would want to see any of us rooting unless that turns you on. BTW Rabs what is your bird?
The thing is, you don't want to get tunes wrong or get the wrong tune, it can be expensive in the long and short term. So that is why we discuss, to get it right.'
Peter we can throw this around over a few sherberts at the flocking, I'm in no hurry either, but when I get around to it doing it once(or twice ) and doing it right is my thing. |
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1600 and the beauty of tune ecu is you can try different tunes easily, quickly and only for the cost of the cable.
BTW I have no intention on watching you guys
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2012 - 11:24 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: Leethal) | | | Lee
If your intersted there is a co down the coast "tubebends online " they have a 1 1/2" madrel bent 304 ss tube 45deg bend.
The standard bend has 100 mm legs, I've got them to do a 250mm leg version which will cost about $18.00 each. Should be here before the weekend probably far too long but it means no welding just cutting to fit
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2012 - 22:38 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: peteronkarra) | | | peteronkarra wrote:
GerPa, after much pouring over the tune repository and the tuneecu maps myself.
This is what I have to offer.
20306 is the 1600 tor map for models with SAI and 20359 is the 1600 tor map for models without SAI, mine is a 2009 with the 20306 map loaded.
As far as I can tell comparing the maps the only difference is one has the SAI on and the has it turned off.
I think Daz is right about the content of Silverfish's map. I understand he copied the fuel tables from the 20310 map which is the 1700 tor map with SAI, into the 20306 map. No change to ignition tables. I think the SAI is also turned off in Silverfish's uploaded map.
There was a post in the tune repository "I think" that some one with a 1600 used Sliverfish's map but had more success " less popping on decel" with the SAI turned back on.
I guess you'd have to be fairly lucky to feed a 1600 the fuel for a 1700 with much different cams while using the 1600 timing and get it spot on but from what I read its worked out ok for the guys that have done it.
I hope to do some work on this problem ( no decat map for 1600) after Far Cairn run but it takes me a fair while to do anything so dont hold your breath.
Lee I've got the cable for the tuneecu connection if you need it.
Cheers
Peter
Lee just saw your post.
No, Dizze's decat map for 1700 is big time different to to the one silverfish posted. |
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Hello Peter
Your summation is the exact conclusion I came to before I started this thread. 20306 for early models with the SAI & 20359 for the late models with out SAI.
I am of the opinion that the answer could be No, if you remove the cat then you dont have to make any further chages to the Tune.The bike will run quite ok unless you want to put it on a dyno and go hunting for the ultimate gains.
A couple of things that confirm this line of thinking is that My neighbour has a 2009 with SAI and it has Staintunes fitted which have "No Cat" but does have a "Cat Crossover " and he has ridden that thing all over the eastern seaboard and the only thing it does is that it has the Decel popping like the rest of us. Dennis Foran will supply a decat bypass kit for $300 deliverd and He says 20306 and However if you buy some BC pipes from Fast Eddy he is indicating on the web site that you need MAP # 020363 are you familiar with that Map? and what is different?
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2012 - 23:01 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: GerPa) | | | Sorry, about that, got a bit off track.
Cheers
Peter.
Just checked the 20363 is the 1700 with aftermarket silencer no SAI
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| | Posted : 08 Oct 2012 - 23:46 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: peteronkarra) | | | Thanks Peter for that.
I reckon using the "Dumb Shit Logic of elimination" that just about answers the question.
If it is late Model 1600 (No SAI),Tors, Sports AC,
Then you could remove the CAT and not have to change the tune.
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| | Posted : 09 Oct 2012 - 00:14 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: GerPa) | | |
GerPa wrote:
I am of the opinion that the answer could be No, if you remove the cat then you dont have to make any further chages to the Tune.The bike will run quite ok unless you want to put it on a dyno and go hunting for the ultimate gains.
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Thats quite true. However, there have been some who have complained they LOST power with decat and the tors tune. There are also many who say the sound is harsh and Dizze will tell you thats the lack of a proper tune. The point is that decat without the proper tune for it leaves the bike in a state of tune that may be far less than optimal, and in any case definately a state of tune thats not correct for that setup. You are essentially detuning you bike. So if you plan to decat, it seems foolish not to get it correctly tuned whatever that takes. You can tube a bike or car to a point where it's horribly incorrect and it'll still run "all over the eastern seaboard", but do you really want that ? Also consider that when the bike is properly tuned with decat the entire bike is transformed and just runs sweet as hell. But then i guess you can't miss what you never experienced, so maybe just do it your way. Just thought you should be informed in any case.
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| | Posted : 09 Oct 2012 - 00:33 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: GerPa) | | | If its any help
My plan is to put the bike on a dyno and get a baseline
do the decat (elbows only no crossover)run with the 20306 map
then load the Silverfish tune with the 1700 fueling and see if I notice is any difference
Then go back to the dyno
and take it from there.
I do think the engine will need more fuel with a more free flowing exhaust
I'm more concerned about running lean than rich.
Actually its probably no help.
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| | Posted : 09 Oct 2012 - 03:29 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: peteronkarra) | | | Of course the other option is to leave the f##kin thing alone and just ride it, I mean it's not like the 1600 is a slug. When I bought the Bird I thought well, here is a motor that I can be happy with and for once not have to succumb to the old more power syndrome.
So what happened?
The other thing I don't want to lose is the long distance betwen fill ups that I now enjoy.
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| | Posted : 09 Oct 2012 - 04:34 Post title : Re: Simple Question about that "Bloody Cat Removal" (Re: Leethal) | | | Shit Lee
Are you at home or been hideing under me bed ?
Those are my thoughts exactly,and now that you mentioned J C, I started at the Gym yesterday in an attempt to become like "Petite Feduke" and am flat out walking today. If successfull I wont have to change the Cat or the Tyres as the Ol Bird will just simply fly.
What fun we have trying to get to the bottom of something ! There is a fair chance mine is going to stay like it is as I still have 14 mths of Warranty. but its nice to know the road ahead if we want to go down it.
Thanks for your wise counsel gentlemen. 
Rgds
Gerry
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