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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 22 Jul 2012 - 13:24 Post title : Wheel alignment tool | | | For those that are looking at useing an alignment tool. This is one ( I made) similar to what triumph sell. It fits in through the rear axle and locates on the tapered parts of the tool. One end is 36mm bigger in diametre than the other, to take up the 18mm distance difference on either side of the swing arm to the machined knotch.
The bigger end straddles the main nut
Measure from the round axle fitting to the face of the machined knotch.
Likewise on the nut side
Showing how the nut is straddled by the tool
Apparently you only need to be within .3mm on your measuring.
All i did was adjust the nut side till I got the belt tension right , took a measurement and adjusted the other side to the same distance.
I am planning on making an adjustable gauge stick to make the job even easier - it would work with the Triumph tool also.
I shall make a few of them while I am on.
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| Bodger | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 28/02/2012 | | Posts | : | 373 | | Location | : | Aberdeen, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 22 Jul 2012 - 14:40 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: mat1600) | | | Hi Matt.
I take it the measurements are taken from the inside face of the alignment tool rather than the centre?
As marked in the pics.
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 22 Jul 2012 - 17:13 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: Bodger) | | | Aye. 
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| zolti | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 22 Jul 2012 - 19:58 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: mat1600) | | | nifty
spot on matty
can see a trip to brid coming  ( with panniers )
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| Druid | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,359 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 22 Jul 2012 - 20:11 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: zolti) | | | I just bought one of these buggers so i can take it to a non stealership service guy as I dont want any accidents very helpful as always matt thanks.
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 22 Jul 2012 - 23:00 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: zolti) | | |
zolti wrote:
nifty
spot on matty
can see a trip to brid coming ( with panniers ) |
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You know your welcome any time
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| | Posted : 23 Jul 2012 - 13:00 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: mat1600) | | | So the Triumph Wheel Alignment Tool arrived to-day, rather unimpressive bit of kit, with no instructions on its use , and some odd measurements .
Judge for yourself.
The Alignment Tool.
The wider end to cover the axle nut. (mic @ 44.68mm)
The thinner end almost fits inside the axle (mic @ 11.99mm)
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 23 Jul 2012 - 15:32 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: Bodger) | | |  
Those arn't the sizes that Steve (viking) gave me.
That would make the difference 16.35mm
Anyway - i have just ordered one so I can see what that one measures up to be.
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| TBRider | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 21/10/2011 | | Posts | : | 834 | | Location | : | Foothills, The Mountains, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Jul 2012 - 17:54 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: mat1600) | | | I'm not sure I understand the reason for use. Can't you take the reading from the center of the axle on either side, to the inside of the swingarm as shown or is the measurement specific to the adjuster itself?
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 23 Jul 2012 - 18:22 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: TBRider) | | | Yes you can measure from the center to each flat on the swingarm. The tool gets to straddle over the main nut so you get a straight measurement instead of going at an angle.
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| TBRider | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 21/10/2011 | | Posts | : | 834 | | Location | : | Foothills, The Mountains, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Jul 2012 - 22:24 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: mat1600) | | | Ah understand now, thank you!
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| | Posted : 24 Jul 2012 - 00:08 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: TBRider) | | | I understand what your doing, but wouldnt it be easier to just remark the adjuster and the swingarm It kind of seems like we're trying to measure microns here unless I've missed something .
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| daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,705 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Jul 2012 - 02:15 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: Linkdog) | | | yes, you DID miss something. Something i can't blame you for not knowing because i didn't either till i spend endless hours tryin g to get the belt to average running center. That something is something you eluded to...micron. Well, not exactly, but what i'm getting at is it has to be super SUPER precise or it will not run center. It's very tricky to get it there because you can turn the adjuster a tiny bit and have it go way over from one extreme to the other. I made abut 25-30 runs yesterday adjusting it after each run down the street and back to get it there ! So it's got to be super precise and thats what the tool is for. Now i happen to think you can do it without the tool and i posted in i think this thread a pic showing how i'm doing it. The trick is to find a way to measure from that flat nub on the arm to the axl in a way that is so accurate that you can use a digital caliper and measure it several times in a row and each time have the number so close it's negligible. Because from what i can tell, the window which you must get it within is probably only about 20-30 thousandths of an inch ! Then once you have a accurate way to measure each side, you subtract the smaller measurement from the larger to fin out how much difference there is between sides. For example, if the right measured 90 mm and the left 87mm, then then you know the left should always be 3mm shorter in measurement than the right.So the next time you go to adjust it, set the belt tension with the right adjuster, then adjust the left so it's at 3mm shorter. Ex: if the right measures 85mm after the tension is set, set the left to 82mm.
So using marks on the arm would get you within a window that may work and not ruin the belt, but it won't run as smoothly and things will probably wear faster. And the bike just plain runs stronger when it's perfectly adjusted. But man is it a bitch !
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,705 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Jul 2012 - 02:24 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: daz) | | | here ya go, that pic i mentioned i posted
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 24 Jul 2012 - 08:24 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: daz) | | | Its basically what the tool is doing. Thats how I used to do it. The one thing \i have thought about with the tool is 'comeback'. If the belt fucks up cos the owner fucked up then there is no warrenty on the belt. I figure that if I use their own tool and the belt fucks up I have a good grounding.
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| Druid | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,359 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 24 Jul 2012 - 14:45 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: mat1600) | | | Can i ask a noobish sort of question here?
Why do you have to go to so much trouble with this total blx? Why not just make the *cking thing correctly in the first place ?
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 24 Jul 2012 - 15:07 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: Druid) | | | Exactly. For a pretty well engineered bike, they fell very short on one of the most important bits. Some parts are well over engineered and some are quite clearly designed by ex-Xbox computer nerds.
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| DizzE | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Jul 2012 - 15:47 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: mat1600) | | | OK, I'm sold. Add it to my tab.
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| EnGage | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Jul 2012 - 16:19 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: mat1600) | | | Is there an online source for Triumph's alignment tool?
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 24 Jul 2012 - 16:34 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: EnGage) | | | I got (getting) mine from World of Triumph. Part number T3880148. £30 inc p+p.
Tried to get one off my dealer but it drew a blank and nobody got back to me.
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| Druid | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,359 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 24 Jul 2012 - 21:06 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: mat1600) | | | me too I hope the service man is please ive made his job easier
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| mjgt | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,201 | | Location | : | North Somerset, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 24 Jul 2012 - 21:30 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: Druid) | | |
Druid wrote:
me too I hope the service man is please ive made his job easier
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| Leethal | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,485 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 25 Jul 2012 - 02:14 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: mat1600) | | |
mat1600 wrote:
I got (getting) mine from World of Triumph. Part number T3880148. £30 inc p+p.
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WOT must be wondering what is going on with this tool, mine is in transit.
When I inquired at my dealer they looked it up and it said "not available to Australia". That is telling me let's keep them in the dark and make them come back to the dealer for adjustments.
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| davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Jul 2012 - 04:49 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: Leethal) | | | OK!! I give up! Where on WOT did you guys find this tool?? I looked and looked and looked but did not see it.Anyone??? Dave!!!
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| Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,485 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 25 Jul 2012 - 06:33 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: davetac1) | | | Here Dave
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 27 Jul 2012 - 13:06 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: Bodger) | | |
Bodger wrote:
The thinner end almost fits inside the axle (mic @ 11.99mm)
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Col - your measureing the wrong bit. Its the 8mm diameter on the end of that bit. It fits like this -
The big end over the main nut and aligned with the machined knotch on the swingarm.
The small end (8mm) just sticks out enough
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| Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,485 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 30 Jul 2012 - 03:07 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: mat1600) | | | Got my alignment tool today Still can't use it as the axle spindle that I need is still on back order. 
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| davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jul 2012 - 21:53 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: mat1600) | | | So what you're sayin Mat is,the measurement on the right side is taken from the end of that flat curved piece as shown in the picture, to the flat nub foward of that.And on the left side,the measurement is taken from the very edge of that tapered piece right where it protrudes out of the hole in the X,and to the flat nub foward of that? CORRECT??? Dave!!!
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 30 Jul 2012 - 22:16 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: davetac1) | | | Yes. From the outside of the big one and from the small round bit on the smaller one.
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| Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,485 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 31 Jul 2012 - 00:18 Post title : Re: Wheel alignment tool (Re: davetac1) | | |
davetac1 wrote:
So what you're sayin Mat is,the measurement on the right side is taken from the end of that flat curved piece as shown in the picture, to the flat nub foward of that.And on the left side,the measurement is taken from the very edge of that tapered piece right where it protrudes out of the hole in the X,and to the flat nub foward of that? CORRECT??? Dave!!! |
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Dave, forget the tapered bit, from the small piece of shaft protruding.
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