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| bnz433 | | Jupiter |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/06/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,843 | | Location | : | Clifton Park (Upstate), NY, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Jun 2012 - 12:08 Post title : Exhaust/Tune question | | | Okay, so at 5200 miles I brought it in for the 6k Service (cuz I had a few long weekenders planned). I have the high flow airfilter and was on track to get a set of 2nd hand Short TORs from a member here. So I had them load the TOR Tune. That was mid-May, and nearly 2,000 miles ago.
I haven't received the Shorties, yet (still hoping, but other things have gotten in the way for the prior Shorties' owner). I'm starting to detect some very minor (and infrequent) hesitations at mid-range, constant throttle. Also some minor starting issues (sometimes stalls out, but then a 2nd crank and it's good to go). Should I revert back to stock tune until the shorties arrive, or let it go?? Trying to avoid another visit to the stealer if I can (actually 2 visits, cuz I'd have to go back to get the TOR tune reloaded when I get the shorts).
I'm not a tuner, so don't know what the TOR map does, and if there's any mid/long term issues if I keep the exhaust "choked" with the stock long pipes.
Thoughts???
Jamie
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| daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Jun 2012 - 13:54 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: bnz433) | | | A lot of us downloaded the TORs tune before we got rid of the stock pipes to FIX issues with the bike ! They generally run better with the TORs map even with the stock bike. So it may not be the tune. You may have just got some bad gas.
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| bnz433 | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/06/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,843 | | Location | : | Clifton Park (Upstate), NY, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Jun 2012 - 14:03 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: daz) | | | Thanks, Daz. I run 93 octane, usually from Sunoco. Probably give the 12 Min Adaptation a shot tonight. Could be that we've hit a heat wave lately, and causing it to not "like" current settings or something. Just wanted to make sure I'm not fouling anything out with the TOR tune and more restrictive pipes.
FWIW - Still getting Miles-to-Empty estimates at 220+miles after fill-ups. And I've been able to go 200-210miles before even looking for a refill. And I'm not all that "conservative" on the throttle. Just started hesitating/harder starting a few times, hence the question.
Danke!
Jamie
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Jun 2012 - 15:22 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: bnz433) | | | Try running 89. 93 (you actually mean 92, right?) is not good and i can see how it might cause that. Even if not, i tried all 3 and 89 gave better power over 87 as many have reported, but premium added nothing, and the extra octane will just add more deposits without any benefits. Not good.
As to the mileage, thats great. I never got more than maybe 180 wen mine was a 1600. You may do even better with mid grade.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| DizzE | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Jun 2012 - 15:59 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: daz) | | | Alcohol in the fuel,
Soaks up water,
Reduces actual Octane,
R90+ preservers the Octane rating better
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| bnz433 | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/06/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,843 | | Location | : | Clifton Park (Upstate), NY, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Jun 2012 - 16:27 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question | | | Thanks Daz/DizzE - never thought of that re: mid-grade. Got about a 1/2 tank left, I'll refill with 89 for the next 2+ tanks and see if it clears out. Hell, for once, cheaper might be better???  Who'da thunk??
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Jun 2012 - 16:32 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: bnz433) | | | Just fill up from 1/2 tank now with 87. 50% 87+50% 92 will net about 89
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| Freebird | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 03/03/2011 | | Posts | : | 260 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 11:24 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: daz) | | | Our lowest octane fuel in Australia is 91 octane the highest I've used is 98 . The 98 does seem to create a sooty exhaust will this cause any issues with the engine Daz. The 91 is cleaner burning but I thought I could hear the bike pinging under load do you know if the bike has an anti knock sensor? I've looked in the manual can't find info about it.
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| Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,520 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 11:40 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: Freebird) | | | Yes mate mine pings on 91, I use 95, no probs.
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| DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 14:38 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: Freebird) | | |
Freebird wrote:
Our lowest octane fuel in Australia is 91 octane the highest I've used is 98 . The 98 does seem to create a sooty exhaust will this cause any issues with the engine Daz. The 91 is cleaner burning but I thought I could hear the bike pinging under load do you know if the bike has an anti knock sensor? I've looked in the manual can't find info about it. |
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No anti-knock sensor. The other thing about higher octane...rating. Moisture. We run alcohol in a lot of the gas and they only have to say
when they exceed 10%. Alcohol soaks water and that lowers the octane....rating.
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 14:51 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: DizzE) | | | Dizze, i suppose you've looked already, but if not theres a website that shows where you can get ethanol free gas in each state and in Ca the only ones listed are No Cal. You may live near one.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 14:56 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: daz) | | | I know what they "say." But, this is CA. I don't believe it. It's either alcohol or MTBE in quantities under 10%. I just don't think they are
actually allowed to sell, "just gas." More scam? Could be wrong, but it doesn't matter. I'm dis-trustful and cynical.
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| Linkdog | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,959 | | Location | : | Groveland, FL., United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 15:31 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
Dizze, i suppose you've looked already, but if not theres a website that shows where you can get ethanol free gas in each state and in Ca the only ones listed are No Cal. You may live near one. |
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There is, Pure gas . org. although I do'nt think California has any stations Good excuse to ride to Nevada
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 15:47 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: Linkdog) | | | Well, then if there are no Ca stations then it wasn't puregas.org. Because whatever site it was i looked at showed a number of North Ca stations, just none down in so cal.
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| Linkdog | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,959 | | Location | : | Groveland, FL., United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 16:06 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: daz) | | | It's been a while since I checked it, But just for excrements and laughter try some local marinas and see if it's available. I've tried it a few times and really did'nt notice any difference in power or milage, just price.
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| Freebird | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/03/2011 | | Posts | : | 260 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 18:08 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: DizzE) | | | Thanks Dizze they only put ethanol in some of our standard fuel and the pumps are labeled so you can avoid it if you want to. When I used to fly model aircraft I saw how much moisture the fuel could absorb from the atmosphere . In my owners manual it says run minimum 91 which our minimum fuel is but every t bird owner I know has pinging problems . So is the tuning different on US bikes because it appears some of your fuel is below 90 .?
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| Rev | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 02/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 266 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 18:59 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: DizzE) | | |
DizzE wrote:
Freebird wrote:
Our lowest octane fuel in Australia is 91 octane the highest I've used is 98 . The 98 does seem to create a sooty exhaust will this cause any issues with the engine Daz. The 91 is cleaner burning but I thought I could hear the bike pinging under load do you know if the bike has an anti knock sensor? I've looked in the manual can't find info about it. |
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No anti-knock sensor. The other thing about higher octane...rating. Moisture. We run alcohol in a lot of the gas and they only have to say
when they exceed 10%. Alcohol soaks water and that lowers the octane....rating. |
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Don't hold a gun to my head here, but I believe octane rating is calculated with a different set of math in the UK. Not sure about Aussieland, but it could be the same. You might wonder how I would know something like this, funny story.
For the first two weeks I owned my T-Bird I put 87 in it because of the manual's suggestion. Needless to say I had engine knock in the worst way. Then I went back and looked at the suggestion in the manual, the 87 minimum rating was for a different ron/Mon equation that actually equated to 91 octane rating on US gas pumps. So I've switched to 93, and the knock went away (in TX we have 93 in most places as premium instead of 92).
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 19:15 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: Rev) | | |
Rev wrote:
Then I went back and looked at the suggestion in the manual, the 87 minimum rating was for a different ron/Mon equation that actually equated to 91 octane rating on US gas pumps. |
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Holy shit ! Are you sure? If thats correct then it would make sense that many of us have felt our bikes run better on mid grade or premium. Some have argued 87 is all that it's needs, but looking back i never looked to see the location of those who said that. Mine certainly runs considerably better on 89 than 87, tho i can't say i noticed anything with 92 over 89. May have to give that a try again. I always figured the manual would be printed in several editions for different countries.
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| DC13 | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 347 | | Location | : | Westbrook , Maine, United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 19:30 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: DizzE) | | |
DizzE wrote:
I know what they "say." But, this is CA. I don't believe it. It's either alcohol or MTBE in quantities under 10%. I just don't think they are
actually allowed to sell, "just gas." More scam? Could be wrong, but it doesn't matter. I'm dis-trustful and cynical. |
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I have been using "Startron" fuel stabilizer in every tank of gas to counteract the nasty nature of the 10% non gas. Works great and I notice on my other bikes that the fuel stays "fresh" longer with it. Without i notice issues after a couple of weeks, especialy in my Duc w/ 13:1 pistons.
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| bnz433 | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/06/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,843 | | Location | : | Clifton Park (Upstate), NY, United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 19:40 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: DC13) | | | Since this thread started, I've switched from the 92octane (US method) to the 89 octane. No more hesitation, etc. I have since added the short TORS, and while it does pop on decel (me likey!!!), it's very smooth no matter where I have the throttle.
I have noticed some "sooting" at the exhaust exit, which wasn't that predominant on the stock long pipes.
Jamie
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| Dougl | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 13/07/2012 | | Posts | : | 544 | | Location | : | Reno, Nevada, United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 22:42 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
Well, then if there are no Ca stations then it wasn't puregas.org. Because whatever site it was i looked at showed a number of North Ca stations, just none down in so cal. |
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Nevada sells the same junk as CA.
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| TBRider | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 21/10/2011 | | Posts | : | 834 | | Location | : | Foothills, The Mountains, United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2012 - 23:04 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: bnz433) | | | Glad to see the TORs are working out for you.
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| Freebird | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/03/2011 | | Posts | : | 260 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 15 Sep 2012 - 05:45 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: bnz433) | | |
bnz433 wrote:
Since this thread started, I've switched from the 92octane (US method) to the 89 octane. No more hesitation, etc. I have since added the short TORS, and while it does pop on decel (me likey!!!), it's very smooth no matter where I have the throttle.
I have noticed some "sooting" at the exhaust exit, which wasn't that predominant on the stock long pipes.
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I know about 3 other blokes here in oz with birds all of them get a bit sooty . My mate took his to the steeler the other day he showed him a few bikes there that were the same. I've just changed the plugs on mine and they were as clean as a whistle if that is any guide .I wouldn't stress mate I don't think you are carboning your engine up.
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| Daycruiser | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2011 | | Posts | : | 704 | | Location | : | Garner, NC, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Sep 2012 - 11:48 Post title : Re: Exhaust/Tune question (Re: Freebird) | | | I've run 89 (US) in all my bikes all the time and never had a problem with any of them performance or maintenance wise. IMHO running high (91/93 US) Octane buys you nothing in a motor designed and tuned for low octane.
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