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| SmokinLoon | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/06/2012 | | Posts | : | 154 | | Location | : | South Dakota, United States |
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| | Posted : 18 Jun 2012 - 00:31 Post title : Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? | | | I posed that question in a different thread but I think the fellows in the know must have read over the topic a bit quickly, no one has replied yet. 
As the title says, if I punch six .5in holes in the baffles in each of my stock long pipes, am I going to need a re-map/tune???
I did a whole lot more tinkering with my previous bike's exhaust ('08 Kawa Vulcan 900 Classic LT), and it did not need a re-map or tune, that info came from a great many of the "vets" from the kawa boards. Obviously, Triumph is much further up on the evolution chart and I do not want to be too quick on the draw to simply chance it w/o some real world knowledge behind my decision. 
Thoughts? Comments?
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| I notice when I arrive at a typical rally all of the HD riders bow down down out of respect. My friend (an HD rider) says that I'm mistaken and that the HD guys are bending over to pick up rocks to throw at me. Thankfully, I have yet to be hit by a rock and if need be I can out run them all. 
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| | Posted : 18 Jun 2012 - 22:35 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: SmokinLoon) | | | I did that exact same thing, and added a K&N filter, then remapped and it actually made a difference. I used the 306 map, but you may not have SAI on your bike.
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| SmokinLoon | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/06/2012 | | Posts | : | 154 | | Location | : | South Dakota, United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Jun 2012 - 03:25 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: Rev) | | |
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I did that exact same thing, and added a K&N filter, then remapped and it actually made a difference. I used the 306 map, but you may not have SAI on your bike. |
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I dont plan on doing anything with the air filter, I'm just looking for a wee bit more sound from my stock pipes and from the multiple posts fellow riders have dont it appears as it punching some holes in the baffles will elevate the rumble just enough to make me happy. I'm hoping I don't have to re-map, but if I do I will get it done by a Triumph dealership. I'm just hoping to find out before punching the baffles.
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| | Posted : 19 Jun 2012 - 06:58 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: SmokinLoon) | | | Instead of damaging your mufflers why didn't you remove the cat ? Gives the standard mufflers a nicer note . I also tried the TORS tune and it lost torque and consumed more fuel soI went back to the standard tune 
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| | Posted : 19 Jun 2012 - 16:38 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: SmokinLoon) | | |
SmokinLoon wrote:
Rev wrote:
I did that exact same thing, and added a K&N filter, then remapped and it actually made a difference. I used the 306 map, but you may not have SAI on your bike. |
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I dont plan on doing anything with the air filter, I'm just looking for a wee bit more sound from my stock pipes and from the multiple posts fellow riders have dont it appears as it punching some holes in the baffles will elevate the rumble just enough to make me happy. I'm hoping I don't have to re-map, but if I do I will get it done by a Triumph dealership. I'm just hoping to find out before punching the baffles.
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If you have SAI on your TBird a remap will prevent some of the decal popping. If you don't mind the decal popping there's no real reason to remap if you're only punching the baffle. Forget what the guy above said. The reason being is that the cat doesn't muffle as much as the actual mufflers do. Pull the mufflers off and start the bike to see exactly what I mean. The biggest issue with the stock exhaust is the baffling cloth that surrounds the pipe. It really does a number on the sound. I'm about to take some stock exhausts I bought off of ebay and tear them apart from the back. I'll let you know what I find when I get inside and how I did it.
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| SmokinLoon | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/06/2012 | | Posts | : | 154 | | Location | : | South Dakota, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Jun 2012 - 17:39 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: Rev) | | |
Rev wrote:
SmokinLoon wrote:
Rev wrote:
I did that exact same thing, and added a K&N filter, then remapped and it actually made a difference. I used the 306 map, but you may not have SAI on your bike. |
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I dont plan on doing anything with the air filter, I'm just looking for a wee bit more sound from my stock pipes and from the multiple posts fellow riders have dont it appears as it punching some holes in the baffles will elevate the rumble just enough to make me happy. I'm hoping I don't have to re-map, but if I do I will get it done by a Triumph dealership. I'm just hoping to find out before punching the baffles.
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If you have SAI on your TBird a remap will prevent some of the decal popping. If you don't mind the decal popping there's no real reason to remap if you're only punching the baffle. Forget what the guy above said. The reason being is that the cat doesn't muffle as much as the actual mufflers do. Pull the mufflers off and start the bike to see exactly what I mean. The biggest issue with the stock exhaust is the baffling cloth that surrounds the pipe. It really does a number on the sound. I'm about to take some stock exhausts I bought off of ebay and tear them apart from the back. I'll let you know what I find when I get inside and how I did it.
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Thanks a many, that makes perfect sense. I will be anxiously awaiting your report on what you find with the stock exhaust. Thanks again, guys like you are what make a forum like this thrive. 
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| | Posted : 20 Jun 2012 - 18:06 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: SmokinLoon) | | |
SmokinLoon wrote:
I posed that question in a different thread but I think the fellows in the know must have read over the topic a bit quickly, no one has replied yet.
As the title says, if I punch six .5in holes in the baffles in each of my stock long pipes, am I going to need a re-map/tune???
I did a whole lot more tinkering with my previous bike's exhaust ('08 Kawa Vulcan 900 Classic LT), and it did not need a re-map or tune, that info came from a great many of the "vets" from the kawa boards. Obviously, Triumph is much further up on the evolution chart and I do not want to be too quick on the draw to simply chance it w/o some real world knowledge behind my decision.
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I guess the problem is with the word "need." Re-maps are not needed. They are desireable if you wish to produce more power.
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| SmokinLoon | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/06/2012 | | Posts | : | 154 | | Location | : | South Dakota, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Jun 2012 - 13:31 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: DizzE) | | |
DizzE wrote:
SmokinLoon wrote:
I posed that question in a different thread but I think the fellows in the know must have read over the topic a bit quickly, no one has replied yet.
As the title says, if I punch six .5in holes in the baffles in each of my stock long pipes, am I going to need a re-map/tune???
I did a whole lot more tinkering with my previous bike's exhaust ('08 Kawa Vulcan 900 Classic LT), and it did not need a re-map or tune, that info came from a great many of the "vets" from the kawa boards. Obviously, Triumph is much further up on the evolution chart and I do not want to be too quick on the draw to simply chance it w/o some real world knowledge behind my decision.
Thoughts? Comments?
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I guess the problem is with the word "need." Re-maps are not needed. They are desireable if you wish to produce more power. |
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And there we have it. THAT is what I was looking for. Thanks for the heads up, I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't going to FUBAR my engine after punching a few holes in the baffles and not having a re-map done. I'm not too worried about loss of power, etc. I think the T-bird as is delivers plenty. Thanks! 
| I notice when I arrive at a typical rally all of the HD riders bow down down out of respect. My friend (an HD rider) says that I'm mistaken and that the HD guys are bending over to pick up rocks to throw at me. Thankfully, I have yet to be hit by a rock and if need be I can out run them all.
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| Rev | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 02/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 266 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Jul 2012 - 22:38 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: SmokinLoon) | | |
SmokinLoon wrote:
DizzE wrote:
SmokinLoon wrote:
I posed that question in a different thread but I think the fellows in the know must have read over the topic a bit quickly, no one has replied yet.
As the title says, if I punch six .5in holes in the baffles in each of my stock long pipes, am I going to need a re-map/tune???
I did a whole lot more tinkering with my previous bike's exhaust ('08 Kawa Vulcan 900 Classic LT), and it did not need a re-map or tune, that info came from a great many of the "vets" from the kawa boards. Obviously, Triumph is much further up on the evolution chart and I do not want to be too quick on the draw to simply chance it w/o some real world knowledge behind my decision.
Thoughts? Comments?
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I guess the problem is with the word "need." Re-maps are not needed. They are desireable if you wish to produce more power. |
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And there we have it. THAT is what I was looking for. Thanks for the heads up, I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't going to FUBAR my engine after punching a few holes in the baffles and not having a re-map done. I'm not too worried about loss of power, etc. I think the T-bird as is delivers plenty. Thanks!
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You'll notice that it opens up a little on the top end if you punch the baffle, but you lose some exhaust scavenging which will effect low end torque, but it's negligible. Let me know how it goes.
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| intimidator32 | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2012 | | Posts | : | 913 | | Location | : | lexington, ky, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Jul 2012 - 16:43 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: Rev) | | | in my opinion if your not getting any backfire or decal popping your probably fine
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| | Posted : 02 Jul 2012 - 20:25 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: intimidator32) | | | Even tune short tors give you popping on decel.
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| | Posted : 03 Jul 2012 - 04:52 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: intimidator32) | | |
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In your opinion? Please get some facts before posting. Decel popping is common an ALL SAI Thunderbirds because of the air injection causing post detinations. You CAN'T get completely rid of it without getting rid of SAI.
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| Truss | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 17/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 146 | | Location | : | Canada |
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| | Posted : 03 Jul 2012 - 19:58 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: Rev) | | | I just posted a video in the lounge and my bike has punched stockers. If you have headphones or really good speakers you can hear the pipes fairly well but if you are listening on a lap top.....don't bother because all you will hear is the high end gear whine.
Here's a link.
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| | Posted : 03 Jul 2012 - 21:46 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: Rev) | | | I don't have the SAI on my bike and I get popping with the short TOS, filter and tune.
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| | Posted : 13 Jul 2012 - 00:13 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: Rev) | | | rev,my bird is a 2012 with no SAI but it still pops on decell no matter what the configuration (cat, no-cat, stock exhaust , shorty exhaust)
its just you don't hear it as much with cat in place. the only way to get rid of it is to custom map it , dyne tune it, or go with the auto-tuner
from dynojet. i can't speak of a SAI bird because i don't have one but i'm just saying its not going to hurt his bike without re-map.
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| | Posted : 16 Jul 2012 - 02:45 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: Truss) | | |
Truss wrote:
I just posted a video in the lounge and my bike has punched stockers. If you have headphones or really good speakers you can hear the pipes fairly well but if you are listening on a lap top.....don't bother because all you will hear is the high end gear whine.
Here's a link.
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Thanks for posting the video! Fun to watch as well! What method did you use to punch the baffle? Did you drill or actually punch them? How many holes? Etc. Thanks again!
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| | Posted : 16 Jul 2012 - 15:04 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: SmokinLoon) | | | I drilled about 8 small holes in each baffle and then used a broom stick handle to punch through and make the holes more even.
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| | Posted : 18 Jul 2012 - 20:27 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: intimidator32) | | |
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rev,my bird is a 2012 with no SAI but it still pops on decell no matter what the configuration (cat, no-cat, stock exhaust , shorty exhaust)
its just you don't hear it as much with cat in place. the only way to get rid of it is to custom map it , dyne tune it, or go with the auto-tuner
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This is an excellent point, there will be no devastation to the engine without the remap. Again decal popping is going to happen, but can be limited a little with a tune. I used the 20306 tune and it helped with high RPM decal, but I still get some popping in the lower RPMs on deceleration. If you want to get the most out of freeing up the exhaust gas, Dyno tuning is the only way to go, albeit an expensive one.
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| | Posted : 18 Jul 2012 - 23:27 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: Rev) | | | Rev - did you ever get around to opening up the mufflers, and if so, what did you find?
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| | Posted : 29 Jul 2012 - 01:06 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: SmokinLoon) | | | For those of you that have punched your baffles on the stock exhaust:
Have you noticed any difference in your mileage?
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| | Posted : 31 Jul 2012 - 20:44 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: SmokinLoon) | | | I haven't noticed any difference.
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| | Posted : 01 Aug 2012 - 00:44 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: SmokinLoon) | | | I've cutout my baffles and I'm running a for an h-pipe cat eliminator and the thing sounds like an angry v-8 with turbo mufflers
but the ever present decal pop is still there so looks like the dyno is the only answer
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| | Posted : 01 Aug 2012 - 00:53 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: Truss) | | | I haven't noticed much of a difference either. The biggest change is the loss of backpressure. No more engine braking. Plus I backfire a bit more. I did not do a remap. On the advice of my local dealership mechanic, he had me just start the engine 1st thing in the morning and let it idle for 15 minutes. He said it should self adjust pretty well. It did surge and slow a bit for the first 5 minutes or so, so maybe he was correct.
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| | Posted : 01 Aug 2012 - 01:01 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: Truss) | | | I drilled 1 half inch hole in each and 2 quarter inch next to the larger hole. I was going to step through the sounds by adding more openings slowly, but I think I like it like it is. I just wanted to take it slow to make sure I didn't open it more than I needed. I would suggest following the same approach to find the sound you like. Its easier to take baffle bits out, than put them back in.
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| | Posted : 01 Aug 2012 - 03:50 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: quilopian) | | | I,m using DizzY,s tune, No poping on decleration, Best tune I,ve used !
Thanks again To DizzY.
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| | Posted : 02 Aug 2012 - 16:39 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: points152001) | | |
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The stocks I tried to buy on ebay didn't come through because the guy selling was a douche. I'm still in search of some stock pipes I can rip apart. I'll keep you posted should I get the opportunity.
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| | Posted : 02 Aug 2012 - 16:41 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: cosmic) | | |
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I,m using DizzY,s tune, No poping on decleration, Best tune I,ve used !
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Isn't DizzY's tune for the 1700? Just asking because I wanted to give it a go, but not if it's meant for the 1700. I see you're running the 1700 cams. How much difference did they make?
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| | Posted : 03 Aug 2012 - 13:57 Post title : Re: Stock Long Exhaust w/ Punched Baffle: Re-Map Needed??? (Re: Rev) | | | Yes it is 1700 tune. It goes great. I will run it up on a Dyno soon & post results. I don,t recommend the 1700 tone in a 1600, I did it, way too rich,
Before cams I had the Factory 1600 W/after market muffler tune in with no cat & it ran fine for over 15000km. Just a bit popy on decel.
It don,t pop anymore.
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