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| | | zolti | | Thor |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 04 Jun 2011 - 07:53 Post title : mark the man | | | at the ross noble event i had the great pleasure of talking to mark who works with peter at triumph hinckley (warrenty section )
a great guy who lives and breaths triumph
he ran the tbird for 18 months and was fully aware of every issue ( i could remember) relating to the bike
two aspects i was concerned about was the lower fork replacements worming under the laquer after another 18 months he said
the fault will not reoccur as they have redesigned the rim where it meets the chrome shroud. it now has a small drain at the rear in the cup.
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if you have an early bird and the cam snaps (decompression end) triumph will replace out of warrenty as this should not happen, sorry i didnt ask him how far out of warrenty
ed - also talked about the belt alignment. the notches are not used for alignment get the triumph tool if you are diy
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Jun 2011 - 20:10 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: zolti) | | | Did Mark happen to mention what this tool looks like of WHERE it can be bought?  I asked my friendly dealer about this tool yesterday and they told me they never heard of it.So what does that tell ya??  As for the little notches in the swing arm,if they're not for alignment,then what the hell are they there for???????  The OM says they're for wheel alignment  Dave!!!
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| | | lioneloxford | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/04/2011 | | Posts | : | 231 | | Location | : | Oxfordshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 04 Jun 2011 - 20:59 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: davetac1) | | | Some more info here -
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And here -
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On link below, I think Item 27 is the adjusting tool, but labelled wrong?
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Tool looks like this -
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This could be the adjusting tool, but no photo -
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Having re-read earlier posts again, I see its about wheel alignment, not belt tension.
Only alignment tool I have seen was for a Triumph 675, on this link - Link
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| | | zolti | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 04 Jun 2011 - 23:36 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: davetac1) | | | dave - definitly not for belt alignment, first thing he said,,, dont use the notches. said they had developed an alighment tool. the dealer should be able to get one or maybe they dont want to sell you one
lioneloxford - definitly a tool out there, the way he talked it was thats the way the dealers are aligning the belt. did mention where the datum point for length measurement was but it was a noisy occasion and i missed that bit.
as your uk based you can ring hinkley and ask for hm, he is the man who is writing the recall letters for the front fender bolts, his signature is on that letter, got my letter this week. dont know how to spell his surname sounded like "sweston" times he isnt there peter clark is. either can help. peter was the guy who sorted my front wheel issue out, good bloke. 
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| | | mad_angler1 | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 18/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 511 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 05 Jun 2011 - 00:07 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: zolti) | | | That will be Mr Mark Swepson, i have delt with him many a time, he is OK, a very cleaver bloke mind, had a good long chat to him when i was working at the dealership about my starting problems when warm, he really does know his bikes inside out, especially the electronic EFI.
BUT seems to forget every common fault when you call for warranty, e.g 675 head gasket failure, you will get no not seen one of them before when its you 8th
i get the impression his job is as much to save money as it it to fix warranty problems, would ofter refuse blatent poor manufacturing problems then authorise anything for a customer who was taking the Mickey, often had to fight just to get the simplest faults covered, especially corrosion issues.
Search his name on google and you wont find all nice comments but all in all i found him nice enough
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Jun 2011 - 02:29 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: mad_angler1) | | | The tool in the links above is for belt tension and not wheel alignment.What I'm lookin for is this mystery wheel alignment tool that Triumph has supposedly just come out with,but no one has any pictures or numbers to get one.And as I stated earlier,the place where I bought my scooter doesn't know anything about this mystery alignment tool or as suggested,are playin stupid.If a picture of one,or atleast get an explanation of how it works was available,then maybe, if we can't buy one,we may be able to make one.So the mystery continues.lol Dave!!!
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| | | lioneloxford | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/04/2011 | | Posts | : | 231 | | Location | : | Oxfordshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 05 Jun 2011 - 06:07 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: davetac1) | | | Looking at my bike, on the left the swinging arm bolt has a large recess, in the frame..
Not looked at the right side as not had the cover off.
Assuming the right hand side also has a recess.
Turn up a plug that will slide in this recess, in the centre have a pointer like the end of a dart.
Turn up another set of plugs for the wheel spindle, again with a pointer dead centre.
Then you can measure each side as you adjust the wheel.
I'm sure I have seen pictures of these plugs that someone else here has turned up.
Was it Mat1600?
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| | | zolti | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 05 Jun 2011 - 08:54 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: zolti) | | | a couple of other things he talked about
he used wax oil on his alloy wheels especially in the winter
didnt recommend going catless due to cylinder temperatue and relationship to the lambda sensor.
so if your catless keep an eye on your plug colour
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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 05 Jun 2011 - 19:04 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: lioneloxford) | | |
lioneloxford wrote:
Looking at my bike, on the left the swinging arm bolt has a large recess, in the frame..
Not looked at the right side as not had the cover off.
Assuming the right hand side also has a recess.
Turn up a plug that will slide in this recess, in the centre have a pointer like the end of a dart.
Turn up another set of plugs for the wheel spindle, again with a pointer dead centre.
Then you can measure each side as you adjust the wheel.
I'm sure I have seen pictures of these plugs that someone else here has turned up.
Was it Mat1600?
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That would be me then. Yes - when checking the alignment, I turned up a couple of end plugs to sit in the end of the axle and measured to the back end of the swing arm. Problem is, I'm not sure if that is a good point to measure to as it is just a fabrication and not a machined surface so it may be out a bit.
Good find on the 675 alignment tool. That is the sort of thing that it will be. going to check for a measure point like you have said and get a tool made up to do the job right.
I'm with Dave on this alignment mark prob - WTF are they for . But then agian it's like I said - it's just a fabricated part (no offence to any fab blokes here) but they are not as accurate as a machined part.
There is a pic of my alignment method in my album. It doesn't seem to want to upload from there.
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| | | mad_angler1 | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 511 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 05 Jun 2011 - 20:36 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: zolti) | | | The best way to align the rear wheel is with Rule or Vernier Calliper measuring the distance from the end of the adjustment thread to the end of the swing arm, or from the swing arm to the rear wheel spindle, this way it can only be correct, (that is as long as the swing are has been build correctly )
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| | | fab | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,515 | | Location | : | wyong, nsw, Australia |
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| | Posted : 05 Jun 2011 - 23:19 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: mad_angler1) | | | i still think my way with the laser align tool ( i talked about this tool and showed a link about it when this topic first came up)
it is used to align sprockets and chains, pulleys and belts up. i used this tool for many years on go karts, motor bikes
and it has always had good results, i have never had a belt problem .
nobody seamed interested in this
there are two types the laser dot and the laser line, i use the laser line more precise i think
here is a link
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Jun 2011 - 02:34 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: fab) | | | The laser tool looks very professional and probably the correct way to go.HOWEVER,it's also quite pricy for the average guy.
The second option using two rods,one in the hole in the X and one in the front cog shaft would also be accurate "IF"there was a hole in both ends of that front shaft where the cog is.But there ain't.So that kinda rules out that option.
The last option,using somethin in the hole in the X and measuring back to the rear edge of the swing arm ,where the adjusters are on both sides,also looks to be another pretty good idea.But like you said"only if the swing arm is installed and aligned correctly".
For shits and giggles,I think I'll pull the exhaust tomorrow and try the rod in the center of the X to the end of the swing arm idea to see if it makes any difference and how far off I am the way I just did it the other day.We'll figure this out.I'll let ya know what I find or if that idea works better.Dave!!!
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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 06 Jun 2011 - 12:50 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: davetac1) | | | ok - there is a machined edge on the swing arm that the measurement to the center of the rear spindle can be taken. I am now thinking of a measurement jig I can quickly attach to this point and measure to the center.
This was probs machined in to use as a datum for machining other parts of the swing arm.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Jun 2011 - 21:00 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: mat1600) | | | Well gang,I spent a good four hours today fartin around with my rear wheel alignment.I even made a tool to fit thru the X to use for taking measurements.I used a 5/16 inch "STRAIGHT" round wooden dowel,approximately 18 inches long,and she fits nice and snug thru the axle hole,protruding approimately 4 inches on either side.The measurements from the center of the X to the back side of the swing arm, didn't even come close.So our friend Mark from Triumph was quite correct about using those llittle marks on the swing arm for alignment purposes. I suspect what they're used for is a starting point,and then ya go from there.
After taking measurements,which was a good 1/8th of an inch difference between the two sides,I proceeded again to try and get the belt in the center of the rear cog,and believe it of not,I actually succeeded "BUT" not before I loosened the swing arm bolt,checked the swing arm for wear and looseness,reseated and retorgued it.It was only after I did that,when I was finally able to get the belt dead center on the rear cog and it actually stayed there while I was spinning the wheel on my lift.However,after a little road test,the belt did move very slightly to the right or outside edge of the rear cog but stll had more then enough clearance so the belt wouldn't rub on the inner edge of that cog and or make noise.
Anyways,I have an idea that the factory did NOT align the swing arm and or the engine which is why everything is alittle off.And I don't think my Professional Stealer's so called "TECHS" would be able to figure that out.So I'll have to do that at a later date.But as long as the belt isn't rubbing or makin noise,and the tire is tracking straight,I'm gonna run with what I just did.Time will tell. Dave!!!
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 07 Jun 2011 - 02:03 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: davetac1) | | | I took the machine out tonight and logged on another 120 miles,checked the belt when I came home a short time ago, and it hasn't moved.All is well.So!! I believe I finally got it Now I can get back to my radio installation,and the honey do list.lol Dave!!!
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| | | Fordster | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 365 | | Location | : | Calgary, Alberta, Canada |
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| | Posted : 07 Jun 2011 - 02:39 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: davetac1) | | | Way, way back in my dirt bike days, we used to use the 'string test' to make sure the rear wheel was aligned with the front wheel. Anyone heard of that? Umm.. it's a bit hard to explain (I might have to draw a diagram) but I tried it on the bird. With a small amount of adjustment, the wheels were aligned with each other and the belt runs basically in the middle. Well, it doesn't run in the middle, it always moves to one side or the other, but with a minisucle adjustment it moves to the other side so I'm guessing it's as close to the middle as it's ever going to be. Also appears to be close to the middle of the front pulley. The alignment marks on the swingarm are not exact, but are reasonably close. There's no way you could ever hope to get a precise alignment with those marks. It would be like trying to sharpen a pencil with a chainsaw.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 07 Jun 2011 - 04:21 Post title : Re: mark the man (Re: Fordster) | | | Yup! Years ago,we used that string trick on cars involved in accidents to check if the frame was bent and or wheel alignment was correct.When checkin the frame,we ran the string from the center of each tire and the idea was to make sure the string crossed like an X,dead center in the middle of the vehicle.If it didn't we had to use a porta power to stretch and or bend the frame back as close as possible to it's original configuration.The same with wheel alignment.And it did work.But today, lasers are used to do the same thing which is a lot more accurate,not to mention, efficient. Dave!!!
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