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| Thatch | | Thor |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 31 May 2011 - 12:58 Post title : Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain | | | Ok, so I'm not convinced my new leather is going to deal well with the upcoming heat so I'm looking at options and I just don't like any of the mesh or multi layer jackets, not for aesthetic reasons as much as I just don't like how most of them function with you still having to pull over to put a rain liner inside it or suffer in the heat by having this plastic bag on you. So, in looking through things I ran back across the waxed cotton jackets. Having never had one I just don't know how well they fare. I suspect they could only deal with light rain before becoming soaked fairly quickly, but the on again, off again rain is the most troublesome. I was thinking that if the jacket breathed well and kept me suitably cool that as long as it did a moderate job on rain I could then stop to throw over an outer rain jacket if I needed to.
So, basically, I'm asking if anyone here has or has had a waxed cotton jacket and what they thought of it as far as a good choice for warm/hot weather riding with the occasional shower.
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| Birdy68 | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,352 | | Location | : | Bad Zurzach, Aargau, Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 31 May 2011 - 16:25 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: Thatch) | | |  Right I'll try to post again... bloody IE crashed just when I was about to 'submit'!
OK - so - Wax Jackets...
Yup I have one - a Belstaff, Trailmaster Legend
It really is the dog bolloxs - but somehow doesn't seem to make me as attractive as Will Smith for some reason  
Anyways - Wax Jackets and sunny days = NOT GOOD!
Fact is I'm hotter in my wax jacket than I am in a leather jacket. The wax jackets are NOT breathable! So on hot days you really are hot if you are not rolling on the road!
Also - if it's really hot and sunny, then the wax starts to get warm and rubs off on ANYTHING that you come into contact with - leaving a real mess behind you.
They are great though - and I actually looked at one last Friday in the KraftStoff shop...
A great place - but make sure you leave your credit card at home!
Anyway I was looking at the Brooklands Blouson Antique Beige 
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| narsisco_lopez | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 31 May 2011 - 18:42 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: Birdy68) | | | J.G. Glover Londoner Jacket - Waxed Cotton
Then, after you get the waxed cotton, you can opt for a bikini wax
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 31 May 2011 - 20:24 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | |
Then, after you get the waxed cotton, you can opt for a bikini wax |
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No need. This yeti is flyin' slick already. 
Well Birdy , hold off on anything yet. I've got a deal working right now that I'll report back on within two weeks that hopefully will make you quite happy. I don't want to share it on here yet till I've had a chance to check it out and make sure its a fair deal. (Better if I loose my money then a bunch of us loose money at my suggestion).
I am hoping that this setup might work for me,if I use a performance fleece under it for cooler weather... you think a light color might do bettsr with the sun issue?
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| EnGage | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Jun 2011 - 03:05 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: Thatch) | | | Thatch wrote:
Then, after you get the waxed cotton, you can opt for a bikini wax |
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No need. This yeti is flyin' slick already.
... you think a light color might do bettsr with the sun issue?
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Yes, but after labor day a light color would be considered in bad taste
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| Leethal | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,485 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 01 Jun 2011 - 05:19 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: Birdy68) | | | Birdy, thank you !!!  I've been racking my memory for months trying to remember the brand of wet weather gear from the 70's that I could not afford in those days and you've done it. Belstaff!!!! I used to be so jealous of riders that could afford the stuff.
Thanks.
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| Birdy68 | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,352 | | Location | : | Bad Zurzach, Aargau, Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 01 Jun 2011 - 08:20 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: Leethal) | | |
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...wet weather gear from the 70's that I could not afford in those days ... |
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... and I still can't afford them! 
But boy they are nice!
All I need to do is become as famous as Ewan and then be sponsored by them!
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| | Posted : 01 Jun 2011 - 11:37 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: Birdy68) | | | Can't believe that I've watched all those shows and reruns and didn't pick up that the gear was Belstaff 
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| narsisco_lopez | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Jun 2011 - 13:21 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: Leethal) | | |
Leethal wrote:
Can't believe that I've watched all those shows and reruns and didn't pick up that the gear was Belstaff |
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Over on ADVrider.com, there's a lot of controversy about Belstaff vs. Aerostich and supposedly, Charlie and Ewan weren't very pleased with the performance of their Belstaff suits. Don't know how true/accurate that is, but that IS the scuttlebutt.
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2009 KTM 990 Adventure
2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
1975 Honda SB550T "Clubman"
1981 Kawasaki KZ1000J
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Jun 2011 - 15:04 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | | narsisco_lopez wrote:
supposedly, Charlie and Ewan weren't very pleased with the performance of their Belstaff suits |
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Well considering that they were wearing Belstaff gear in 'Long Way Round' and then even more Belstaff gear in 'Long Way Down', I'd say they were fairly pleased with it. Seems unlikely they'd use more of something they didn't like.
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| narsisco_lopez | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Jun 2011 - 15:20 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: Thatch) | | |
Thatch wrote:
narsisco_lopez wrote:
supposedly, Charlie and Ewan weren't very pleased with the performance of their Belstaff suits |
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Well considering that they were wearing Belstaff gear in 'Long Way Round' and then even more Belstaff gear in 'Long Way Down', I'd say they were fairly pleased with it. Seems unlikely they'd use more of something they didn't like.
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Well, if you've spent any time at all reading the posts on ADVrider.com, you'll know those threads get out of hand pretty quickly... with LOTS of unsubstantiated claims, statements, and rumors. However, just because Ewan and Charlie were Belstaff-equipped, doesn't necessarily mean they were completely happy... especially if Belstaff was sponsoring and doing more for the team financially than just giving them free clothes.
With that said, the Belstaff line of clothing looks pretty sweet and you can't really be around as long as Belstaff has without doing something very right.
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2012 K13S
2009 KTM 990 Adventure
2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
1975 Honda SB550T "Clubman"
1981 Kawasaki KZ1000J
1985 Suzuki GS550E
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Jun 2011 - 15:37 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | | narsisco_lopez wrote:
Well, if you've spent any time at all reading the posts on ADVrider.com, you'll know those threads get out of hand pretty quickly
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I've read enough that I don't participate there. Some ridiculous blowhards there.
especially if Belstaff was sponsoring and doing more for the team financially than just giving them free clothes.
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Oh, I assumed as much. Everything they used was ostensibly 'free'. That said, I have no doubt that they would easily find another company more than willing to give them 'free' things, as well as a satchel full of money, ESPECIALLY on the second trip where the project is a known quantity. It's one thing to not like the bags on your bike, it's quite another to not like your riding gear on a trip that long. All they would have to do is merely suggest that they didn't care for the clothing and they would of been buried in gear from another company. That's not to say it was perfect. I've not seen any gear yet that was, so I'm sure there were times that nearly everything they had could of done better.
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| narsisco_lopez | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Jun 2011 - 16:14 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: Thatch) | | | Thatch wrote:
All they would have to do is merely suggest that they didn't care for the clothing and they would of been buried in gear from another company. That's not to say it was perfect. I've not seen any gear yet that was, so I'm sure there were times that nearly everything they had could of done better.
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You just made me think of the one scene in, "Long Way Down" where Ewan is taking a drill to his Alpinestars rain boots and drilling holes to vent them out! I wonder what effect that had on Alpinestars boots sales and if the company took some pains to redesign a bit? I can only imagine the Alpinestars execs CRINGING when they saw him drilling holes in their expensive boots!
Thatch wrote:
I've read enough that I don't participate there. Some ridiculous blowhards there.
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That, my friend, is an understatement!
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Other Bikes:
2003 Suzuki DRZ400E (plated - my dual sport/mountain trail/camping bike)
Past Bikes:
2012 K13S
2009 KTM 990 Adventure
2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
1975 Honda SB550T "Clubman"
1981 Kawasaki KZ1000J
1985 Suzuki GS550E
1978 Yamaha 650 Special
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| | Posted : 01 Jun 2011 - 20:27 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: Thatch) | | |
Thatch wrote:
Oh, I assumed as much. Everything they used was ostensibly 'free'. That said, I have no doubt that they would easily find another company more than willing to give them 'free' things, |
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| narsisco_lopez | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Jun 2011 - 20:41 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: mat1600) | | |
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I bet KTM are still kicking themselves.
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Jeez... I know. All because that KTM rep said the Siberian leg was impossible. I wonder how long he kept his job after that?
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2012 K13S
2009 KTM 990 Adventure
2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
1975 Honda SB550T "Clubman"
1981 Kawasaki KZ1000J
1985 Suzuki GS550E
1978 Yamaha 650 Special
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 01 Jun 2011 - 20:56 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | |
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Jeez... I know. All because that KTM rep said the Siberian leg was impossible. I wonder how long he kept his job after that? |
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I hope his benefit payments are enough to keep up with the medical payments on his sore arse.
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| | Posted : 02 Jun 2011 - 07:49 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | | narsisco_lopez wrote:
You just made me think of the one scene in, "Long Way Down" where Ewan is taking a drill to his Alpinestars rain boots and drilling holes to vent them out! I wonder what effect that had on Alpinestars boots sales and if the company took some pains to redesign a bit?
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Well I suspect that these companies are getting a brief back from the guys following these trips as part of the deal (I would certainly hope so at least) These items go through lots of tests, lots of relatively short run real world tests, and long term lab testing (robotic repetitive movement tests) but a ride of these lengths, over that kind of time frame, being out on the road day in day out ... the sort of feedback that can be supplied from that would be invaluable for a company if they were smart enough to listen. From the frame brake on the Beemer (and the subsequent ABS failure from the fix) to the Alpine Star boot drilling, failures are exceptional learning tools for these manufacturers.
You're right about KTM. That had to be a massive embarrassment to the company. For the cost of 3 bikes they could of had massive exposure and for a company that isn't exactly a household name, that would be huge. Even if they did fail it would of been a win for KTM. The typical viewer would of put the failure of a trip like that at the feet of "a couple of pansy actors", not the machine. It's how we all tend to think in the meantime you've got your bike and your name repeated over and over again, and cool things being done with your product. The rep was an idiot and I suspect (or hope) that he was sacked for that myopic decision.
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| | Posted : 02 Jun 2011 - 09:19 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: Thatch) | | | Thatch wrote:
narsisco_lopez wrote:
You just made me think of the one scene in, "Long Way Down" where Ewan is taking a drill to his Alpinestars rain boots and drilling holes to vent them out! I wonder what effect that had on Alpinestars boots sales and if the company took some pains to redesign a bit?
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Well I suspect that these companies are getting a brief back from the guys following these trips as part of the deal (I would certainly hope so at least) These items go through lots of tests, lots of relatively short run real world tests, and long term lab testing (robotic repetitive movement tests) but a ride of these lengths, over that kind of time frame, being out on the road day in day out ... the sort of feedback that can be supplied from that would be invaluable for a company if they were smart enough to listen. From the frame brake on the Beemer (and the subsequent ABS failure from the fix) to the Alpine Star boot drilling, failures are exceptional learning tools for these manufacturers.
You're right about KTM. That had to be a massive embarrassment to the company. For the cost of 3 bikes they could of had massive exposure and for a company that isn't exactly a household name, that would be huge. Even if they did fail it would of been a win for KTM. The typical viewer would of put the failure of a trip like that at the feet of "a couple of pansy actors", not the machine. It's how we all tend to think in the meantime you've got your bike and your name repeated over and over again, and cool things being done with your product. The rep was an idiot and I suspect (or hope) that he was sacked for that myopic decision. |
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Yes the KTM decision was a strange one to say the least!! As strange as it may seem they can, although they don't seem to, use this to there advantage. As someone who is a little cynical of the Long Way Down series (I watched a few of them and didn't enjoy them nearly as much as I wanted to) KTM could have set themselves up as the antidote to the pansy actor bikers and/or wannabe bikers. Granted that this is less powerful a marketing opportunity for the mass market but eatablish KTM as the mark of real off road capability. The KTM's 350 is the king of the off road in my book but as you say they remain little known.
Back to the subject of waxed cotton, tried one (Belstaff) a few years ago - looks great and OK for short rides. I bet in really hot weather though it would be impractical. In all honesty, I would wear one as a casual winter jacket and not as part of my biking gear. I have a full rack in the garage (3 leather jackets, 1 mesh, 1 textile, 1 all season and 1 waterproof - hang on a minute I don't have the waxed cotton covered now where is that Belstaff catalogue).
That was probably no help what so ever Thatch, sorry mate!
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| | Posted : 02 Jun 2011 - 10:04 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: BlueNose) | | | Well, I'm having a completely bespoke waxed cotton jacket made for me now. I'll share all the information about it when I get it back as well as a review of the article then. I should have a few days to test it out before the Bled trip and I'll use that trip to make up my mind for it's use on the way to Greece. I think that with the right layering that it could be a very good jacket for what we'll be doing but we'll see.
I've only seen bits and pieces of the Long Way Down series. I keep meaning to watch it but haven't found the time. It would be nice if the North / South American 'Long Way' trip goes off and they take tigers this time. :) Of course that might not be wise for Triumph as there is really only doing 'just as well' or 'failing' as the two options. 
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| | Posted : 02 Jun 2011 - 11:34 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: Thatch) | | | Both the books are better than the tv.
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| | Posted : 05 Jun 2011 - 04:04 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: mat1600) | | |
I cannot comment whats good or bad in the rain has much has you guys in Europe , but personaly i have always wore leather jacket , and jeans and if its gonna rain took along a plastic pants and jacket to throw over the top .
Last year though on a trip to the UK i bought some CHEAP textile pants and jacket from aldi . On a trip along the great ocean road to rainy Victoria i put them into use . The jacket nice and warm but in a day of wet riding very heavy rain with stong winds , the jacket let the water in found it perfect for days when its just the odd shower forecast , the pants were warm and very dry , although even though they have armor in the knees i don't think they will do much, protection wise .
Few months later , doine a trip to queensland 3 days of riding in a thunder storm and the pants held up very well the jacket i had replaced with a rj's textile jacket and was very very impressed , only got wet after a few hours of big rain riding . Boots well another thing i have yet to find any that can stay dry for a few hours of wet riding .
Gloves well i'm open to suggestions had 3 pair ALL were useless.
Been out this morning and got caught in showers while wearing , kevlar jeans and a four seasons mesh jacket . kept the top half dry jacket worked in light showers but would'nt want to ride in a heavy rain or a couple of hours of drizzle .
What do you guys in Europe wear to stop the rain coming of your helmit and down the collar , if anything.
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| | Posted : 06 Jun 2011 - 04:56 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: coneye) | | |
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I haven't found ANYTHING yet! Always et home with a wet neck/chest/tummy!
I was thinking once to cut up one of my older diving dry-suit. Just cut out the shoulders and neck.
But then I thought to myself - if it's that bad, then stop at the next cafe.
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| EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Jun 2011 - 02:33 Post title : Re: Waxed cotton jackets for summer use and dealing with rain (Re: Thatch) | | | well, i have the Triumph one-piece, but i bought FroggToggs for the trip because i wanted waterproof pants for light rain. well, I wore both tops and bottoms going through Wyoming in the rain and i stayed dry.
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