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Posted : 18 May 2011 - 21:11 Post title : Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660

Just bought Garmin Zumo 660 for my T-Bird. Now is time to install mount kit and hardware on T-Bird. Can anybody give me some suggestion about where to connect the 12V power? Garmin Kit have already a fuse and cables are enought length to reach battery zone. Thanks

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Posted : 18 May 2011 - 21:19 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: Sergio)

inside the headlight. there are 3 ways parking feed, main beam feed or the live purple to the ancillary light connector, fuses 1, 8 or 3

depends if you want it switched or perm live, your choice

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Posted : 18 May 2011 - 21:21 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: Sergio)

Good choice Sergio, took my power off the headlamp (split cable and soldered) so never leave it taking power from the battery when ignition off.
Hope that helps.

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Posted : 18 May 2011 - 21:26 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: zolti)

Thanks Zolti ... I'd like to have permanent 12V ever if bike key is in my pocket

.... can I find permanent 12V inside headlight? Or maby is better to switch off GPS when bike is off?

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 09:42 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: Sergio)

Sergio wrote:
.... can I find permanent 12V inside headlight? Or maby is better to switch off GPS when bike is off?

Garmin zumo 660 Product Specifications: .....
Power Input - DC vehicle power using included automotive power cable and cradle, motorcycle mount with integrated DC harness. Power can also be supplied by optional USB charger or trickle-charged from compatible USB 2 ports.

Usage - 10W max.

Battery Type - Removable lithium-ion battery, 3.5V, 1880mAh, 6.7Wh.

Well the unit could draw upto 10Wh. and I believe that's a direct 12V. That works out to be a consumption of around 0.85 Amps
So that would mean that your fully charged Thunderbird battery - rated at 18Ah would last around 21 hours - went NOT RUNNING the engine.
Well that's my guestimate (estimate) - and I'm more than happy if some electrical engineer out there would put this right.

For an hour or two you would be OK - but never forget it over night, or you might have a weak battery the next day!
I'd play it safe and get into the habit of removing the unit each and every time I leave the bike - like you do the ignition key!

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 10:02 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: Birdy68)

I'd think you'd want it on an ignition dependent power supply so that it wouldn't get left on and leave you stranded with a dead battery. Remember the Garmin has an internal battery that the unit will run on for around 2 hours without external power. I would think that would be enough that you'd not need a permanent lead.

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 11:15 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: Thatch)

On my previous bike (BMW R850R) I had Street Pilot III on permanent 12V and I never had battery problems. I just installed Zumo and under the right cover (fuses) I found a free 2 faston jack with permanent 12V so I connected there. All the work was very simply, not more than 10 minutes. Zumo have 5 hours of authonomy and when connected to power supply takes 10W.

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 11:58 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: Sergio)

Sergio wrote:

Thanks Zolti ... I'd like to have permanent 12V ever if bike key is in my pocket

.... can I find permanent 12V inside headlight? Or maby is better to switch off GPS when bike is off?

im not at home sergio but..

from memory the purple from fuse 8 to the fog lights should be live.

i cant remember the colour of the switched live but it runs from fuse 3 to the parking light via ignition

for the colours i think there is a thread on how to wire up the fog lights and there was a diagram on there, might have been dizze or engage or narcisco who contributed, that will tell you the colour to tap into.

there is a third that runs to the dip beam via the relay that from fuse 1, check the thread on i think it was titled "how to wire ancillary lights"

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 13:06 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: zolti)

I've got the Zumo 660 and there's SO much cable length that it just made sense to run it back under the tank to the seat.

I ended up tapping all my power back by the fuse blocks and it's all switched. I made a power block by the battery to tie all my electronica into.

This photo is a bit old and it shows my power block wired always hot to the battery, but it's now powered by the switched hot lead below

I tapped into the yellow lead

But, Engage DID post this thread and it shows power up at the light, I believe...

How To Wire Accessory (Auxiliary) lights to the Accessory Light Switch

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 13:07 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: zolti)

I picked up a waterproof 12v aux socket and was thinking of trying to connect via the heated grip outlet.

Mount the socket somewhere accessible, so I can plug my sat nav in. Also got a waterproof cover for that.

There is a plug/socket under the tank somewhere that you plug in the heated grips. If I can get the other end of that I can connect without breaking the integrity of the wiring harness. Could re-fuse to 10A?. Seems a lot for a sat nav.

Does anybody know what type of plug/socket it is?

Not had time to explore this further.

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 13:12 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: Steve)

I've got my 12v socket in my fairing and, once again, wired back to my power block...

But, I believe both Matt1600 and Birdy68 wired and mounted their outlets differently. Check this thread...

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 13:18 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: Steve)

I've got a problem with both of those methods.

In one you have cut the wire from the harness, no big deal, but if you ever want to use it you will have problems. You could use those piggy back connectors but they also cut through the insulation.

In the other the live power is not insulated, what happens in a big storm when the water gets under the seat? Makes the battery hard to remove. If you want to make a secondary power distribution get a fuse box from a breakers that is insulated, that way you could fuse the outputs separately.

I'd consider creating a new fuse box if I get too many extra things to connect.

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 13:42 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: Steve)

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In the other the live power is not insulated, what happens in a big storm when the water gets under the seat?

I've been riding this week in the rain and I can definitively tell you that water doesn't get under the seat. You'd have to be riding in a storm of biblical proportions for that to happen.

But, there IS a plug to pick up power for the OEM aux plug/socket that Triumph sells, I just don't know which one it is. There's a plug under the right side cover wrapped in shrink wrap plastic... I checked it with my meter and I believe that's always hot, but not sure. I think it's the one for the OEM aux socket.

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 13:52 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: narsisco_lopez)

Not the shrink wrapped one. I thought mad_angler1 said that was for a furture (something?)
...an RAC controller? Can't remember.

The Aux plug is a simple 2 blade "L" shapped under the shrink wrrapped plug.

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 14:45 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: DizzE)

Yep... THAT'S the one

But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that one always hot? I remember checking that one with my meter and I thought it did not switch off with the key.

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 15:30 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: narsisco_lopez)

I connected here and all works fine ... don't know what fuse have this AUX but Zumo have it's own, so no problem

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 16:05 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: narsisco_lopez)

narsisco_lopez wrote:

Yep... THAT'S the one

But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that one always hot? I remember checking that one with my meter and I thought it did not switch off with the key.

Yeah, it counts on the BMW style Aux plug for power on/off.

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 19:32 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: narsisco_lopez)

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Steve wrote:
In the other the live power is not insulated, what happens in a big storm when the water gets under the seat?

I've been riding this week in the rain and I can definitively tell you that water doesn't get under the seat. You'd have to be riding in a storm of biblical proportions for that to happen.

I'll take your word for it. It's just my telecom training kicking in.

Unprotected live wires in an external environment is a potential fault, too easy for a short to happen.

Thanks for the info, looks like an easy place to connect to. I'll have to see if I can find somewhere that sells the connectors, should be possible. I'll let you know how I get on.

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 20:15 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: Steve)

Steve wrote:

Thanks for the info, looks like an easy place to connect to. I'll have to see if I can find somewhere that sells the connectors, should be possible. I'll let you know how I get on.

Let us know if you do find a source for that connector... I, for one, would be interested in getting one. Looks pretty specialized, though... possibly OEM-specific? Of course, you could always pick up the OEM 12v assy. (BMW-style) port just for that connector... a bit pricey way to go, though.

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 21:09 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: narsisco_lopez)

Just an FYI if anyone is interested.Whenever you install,connect,reconnect,replace,splice,add to,whatever,anything that has an electrical connection on a vehicle which is driven and or left out in the elements,always,always,ALWAYS, apply alittle die electric grease on that connection.That will keep the connection dry and prevent corrosion from occuring.And you can "THAT" TO THE BANK.

After doin that,many of the problems that have occured in the past will now be history.Ya do it once,and forget about it.Dave!!!

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Posted : 19 May 2011 - 21:43 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: davetac1)

To my slightly warped and slightly askew mind, dielectric grease is a solution in search of a problem... especially in very dry climates like Colorado and the desert southwest. I've tinkered with and wrenched on my fair share of cars, bikes, and other crap with electrical connections and can't remember electrical connection corrosion ever being an issue.

Of course, I bet its all it's cracked up to be in very damp, rainy climates.

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Posted : 20 May 2011 - 00:51 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660

I would definitely use a connection that shuts off the electrical supply when you turn off the key. When you turn off the key the Garmins give you a popup screen that tells you it is now operating on battery power and will turn off in, I believe, 30 seconds unless you push the onscreen button telling it not to shut down. You are then operating on the GPS's internal battery and drawing nothing from the bike's system. If the GPS runs the battery down it will still start right up as soon as you turn on the ignition, again drawing power from the bike's electrical system. It then recharges as you ride. I think it's the best "fail safe" system going and you already have it if you wire to a switched connection. Don't fix it if it ain't broke.

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Posted : 20 May 2011 - 01:54 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: narsisco_lopez)

narsisco_lopez wrote:

To my slightly warped and slightly askew mind, dielectric grease is a solution in search of a problem... especially in very dry climates like Colorado and the desert southwest. I've tinkered with and wrenched on my fair share of cars, bikes, and other crap with electrical connections and can't remember electrical connection corrosion ever being an issue.

Of course, I bet its all it's cracked up to be in very damp, rainy climates.

No matter where you live,or what type of climate you have,when you first fire an engine,it creates heat as it gets up to its operating temperature and that engine heat is higher then the ambient temperature.Hence when ya shut that engine off,it cools,and during both processes, condensation is formed.Condensation is moisture and moisture will cause corrosion.You can not get away from it.the point is.no matter where you live,condensation still occurs.And I bet it even rains there once in awhile too.lol So! It won't hurt to take alittle preventive maintenance measure by applying alittle die electric grease on your electrical connections.Do ya see where I'm comin from??? Dave!!!

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Posted : 20 May 2011 - 14:06 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: davetac1)

davetac1 wrote:
Do ya see where I'm comin from??? Dave!!!

Yep, I sure do see where you're coming from, Dave. All I was saying is that in the 25+ years of messing with automotive electrics, I've never really seen corrosion on a connection that warranted any concern. And while I've found a dab of dielectric grease on various couplings from time to time, it's not something I worry about... most low voltage connections don't generate enough heat (well, they'd better NOT!) to be of any real concern.

I'm not trying to sound stubborn or contrary, but I've got enough to do without going back and dabbing greasy shit all over my nice, clean wiring jobs!

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Posted : 20 May 2011 - 16:07 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: narsisco_lopez)

Maybe I should move out there then

Corroded connections is one of the biggest causes of electrical faults. I'm sure we get loads more rain than you do though.

The water is drawn up the wire by capillary action and rots from inside the insulation. Seen a lot on older bikes with a bad connection where the break is a few mill inside the wire. Looks fine but if you give it a pull you get a connector with a short bit of wire on it.

The silicon grease fills up the holes and stops most of the water getting in. It comes in spray cans and is clear so you can keep your hands nice and clean. Can't have a rufty tufty biker with dirty hands now can we

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Posted : 20 May 2011 - 17:34 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: Steve)

Steve wrote:

Maybe I should move out there then

I'm just a contrary SOB and enjoy rattling Dave's cage a bit... he's an easy-going sort of bloke, so can take it.

I don't really have any problems using dielectric grease and would probably use it... if I could remember to actually buy some and keep it handy while I'm tinkering. I actually DO believe in the old, "An ounce of prevention's worth a pound of cure" adage... it's just I'm a bit lazy sometimes and enjoy riding more than wrenching.

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Posted : 20 May 2011 - 20:09 Post title : Re: Power supply for GPS - Garmin Zumo 660 (Re: Steve)

Steve wrote:

Maybe I should move out there then

As well as all the rain, we do get a lot of those damp shitty grey days that cause bother with stuff like this.

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