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| Thatch | | Thor |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Nov 2009 - 22:13 Post title : Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes | | | Woohoo.. got my pipes in and I wanted to pop in here real quick and give impressions, pass along a bit of info and answer a question I had received.
First Impressions: Pipes look great, very good quality. I really like the stamped BC logo in the end of the pipe, it ads a nice little touch. For being a 20 lbs weight savings from stock they are very soundly built. They were packed nice and tight and now I can practice my Korean with the included newspaper packing.
Issues: Everyone here has probably read Rob's comments about the yellowing. Well, I was in the shop picking up the pipes and Sean from BC called through, asked to talk to me and addressed the issue personally with me. (which I was quite impressed with) He asked if I was aware of the potential issue or not. I said I was. He stated that they were working with a bike on the dyno right now, that they weren't sure if it was a one off issue or not at this point but that they were experimenting with a solution if it proved to be more widespread. He stated that the yellowing was easily cleaned off and was not permanent but that they were still looking at the issue and felt they had a solution if it was more widespread that they would send out and they would know something within the next 24 hours. He just wanted to let me know what was going on and that they were involved.
I was very pleased to hear Sean being so involved in his products. When you pre-order a brand new bike, then pre-order performance parts for that new bike you should be expecting things to not always be perfect. I'm OK with that. When you feel you have a partner in the process it sure makes the hiccups a lot easier to deal with. I have to say that I am going to be as critical of these pipes as I ever was, and judge them on the merits of the product but I really do hope they deliver because the BC crew, from delivery to the online support have delivered as a company. Let's hope they do so with the product as well.
I'm off to install.
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| DVR | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 651 | | Location | : | I'm Denis, from Belgium |
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| | Posted : 13 Nov 2009 - 22:19 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: Thatch) | | | Thatch wrote:
I can practice my Korean with the included newspaper packing.
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That made me laugh out load , good one 
Success with the install, I feel a movie coming up 
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Nov 2009 - 02:01 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: DVR) | | | Ok, the install is all done. It took me right at an hour to do, not bad at all really. There is only one issue that really isn't covered in the installation instructions that caused me some trouble and once I figured out the right approach installation was a breeze.
The heat shields are held on with hose clamps and if you install the pipes and then the heat shields you are left trying to get the fully opened clamp back together (which don't have much slack) back together under the bike. This is neigh on impossible. However after wrestling with it a bit I realized the solution. I pulled the pipe back off, slipped the back clamp back together completely off the bike and the fore clamp was easy enough to connect while on the bike if I spun it around so the clamp was in front. I then slipped the pipes on, tightened everything up and bob's your uncle.
Only disappointment I had wasn't with the Hog Slayers, upon taking off the original left hand heat shield I found the chrome cracked and beginning to separate. I didn't get a chance to compare the two to see if perhaps I took a rock or something which caused the initial problem. Regardless, it was a bit depressing to see that even though it was a part that was coming off. Of course, it was also confirmation that getting stainless pipes on the bike was a good move.
Now, to the sound. Dinner was ready and it's getting late here so I only had a very short startup and run. But, in a word.... damn. At idle the bike's volume is indeed not louder but the tone changes from 'pup pup pup pup' to 'blap blap blap blap' and what small amounts of load I put the bike under it just improves from there. Now these are louder than stock by a fair bit. I'm quite sure Daz would not like the volume, but the tone is realllllllllllly nice. I only went a half block down the road, turned around and came back so I have no info on improve power and real sound under load. You can be assured that I will find out first thing tomorrow though.
Well, that's the report so far. More to come as I get some time with the pipes, oh, and a video of course.
If you have any questions, just let me know.
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| FTL40 | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 13/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,122 | | Location | : | massachusetts, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Nov 2009 - 02:30 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: Thatch) | | | daz says he liked the thunderbike exhaust on the america, i can honestly say i dont see this system being any louder, and if anything maybe even quiter
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| daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Nov 2009 - 04:56 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: FTL40) | | | The Thunderbike pipes weren't much if any louder than the TORs are on the Tbird. I'd say they are close. I always thought the thunderbike pipes were a bit louder than i liked, but when i sold the bike i watched the buyer drive off and i thought they were rather tame ! It's hard to really tell because may variables can change things from one moment to the next. When i first tried the Tbird tors i thought they were loud as hell. Second time i installed them i felt they were just about perfect ! Maybe i'm ready to be institutionalized, i dunno. But they went from what i felt was very loud to what i felt was just right. No idea why.
Now that said, i hear pipes daily that are so frucking loud i would stop riding motorcycles if i had to ride one with that kind of volume. The TORs, thunderbikes and probably the BC's are likely all in a whole different league than those. My buddy's harley is so loud i couldn't even hear my thunderbike pipes when next to him. Literally couldn't even tell my bike was running if not for the vibes.
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 Nov 2009 - 05:42 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: daz) | | | Well they certainly aren't anywhere near Harley straight pipes. I'm not interested in that either.
Here is the mandatory after pic.... I'll take more in the day, but I had to take a pic after I was done.
This reminds me that I need to take a rear shot of the bike. The way these pipes tuck in next to the bike is a nice feature.
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| hypervista | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 21/08/2009 | | Posts | : | 26 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Nov 2009 - 01:55 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: Thatch) | | | Thanks for the install and brief test report Thatch. Which tune are you running (stock default or TOR)?
Nice pic! Those pipes look great!!
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Nov 2009 - 02:53 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: hypervista) | | | Ok, still working on the video. I shot the second bit but my editor is acting up. Hopefully I'll have it later tonight.
Here are some pics from today.
This should show how the pipes hug the bike much closer than the stock.
Now, as to their performance, well there is no disappointment there. Low end torque has definitely improved. Launches are harder and the angry growl that accompanies them is a great addition. Mildly surprising is that the biggest improvement seems to be in the 70-90 mph range. You can really feel a kick in the pants when you get in this range.
As an added benefit starting seems to be quicker now (not sure exactly the reason there and it might just be an atmospheric thing.. I'll keep an eye on things)
Hyper, I do have the TOR tune installed, have for about 2 months.
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| STEVEG | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 11/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 54 | | Location | : | Danville, CA., United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Nov 2009 - 04:33 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: Thatch) | | | Got mine on too! Was only able to go for a quick run and funny i noticed on the freeway 70-90 mph that there was much more of a pull. Felt like the torque had improved some as well. What i was surprised at is how quite these can be if you want them to be. At idle they sound slightly louder then stock, but a quick wick of the throttle and bam! a beast is unleashed! Was dusk when I went out, and near dark when I retuned so have not had a chance to see how they held up.
Great sound on the throttle. I personally wish they had more of a rumble at idle, but that might get better with time and or a proper tune. More to follow...
 
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Nov 2009 - 05:09 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: STEVEG) | | | Glad you got your pipes and you seem similarly pleased. It's good to hear a consistent report on where the improvements are as well.
Here is the video I promised. It's not where I want it to be but it's late and my own software was screwing up so I used an online service I was unfamiliar with. Hope this works alright.
In case it's not clear, I do the full pull away, ride by and return with and without pipes. Then, to make it easy to compare I clipped the pull away portions and put them back to back at the end. One item to note, on the 'before' video I had a loose lens on the back of the bike. You'll probably hear it buzzing.
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| DVR | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 651 | | Location | : | I'm Denis, from Belgium |
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| | Posted : 15 Nov 2009 - 10:58 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: Thatch) | | | This comparison is perfect. Although I don't like "loud" I prefer the sound of the BC's now.
Sounds just right in your movie.
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| ArkyRider | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 22/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 25 | | Location | : | Garfield, Arkansas, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Nov 2009 - 11:45 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: Thatch) | | | Those pipes look good guys. The sound sure doesn't sound obnoxious either. The added benifit of losing 20 pounds is a plus as well.
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| hypervista | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 21/08/2009 | | Posts | : | 26 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Nov 2009 - 12:29 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: DVR) | | | Wow! They look and sound great Thatch! Nice video. I particularly liked your kid's laughing as you pulled away the first time and rolled on the floor when I heard them say, "That didn't sound good.... that scraping" when you went around the corner! 
Thanks for the comparison info. I can't wait to get mine on (I'm stuck here in Cary, NC with the wife getting ready to go look around.... god save me!)
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| FTL40 | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,122 | | Location | : | massachusetts, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Nov 2009 - 14:00 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: hypervista) | | | sounds good, if you guys think its good from the clip you have got to hear them in person, i really cannot see anyone not liking these pipes, unless you want a very loud bike
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 16 Nov 2009 - 02:19 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: FTL40) | | | Glad you guys liked the info. I figured everyone was just about tired of hearing about them by the time I got this info up.
I had another good ride in today on them. I have to say the low end torque gain is awfully good. I was trying before to separate the obvious 'emotional torque' gains from the real world torque gains.... you know, it sounds louder and meaner so I must be going faster effect. Low end is really good, but in general breathing has improved across the board. The bike is very responsive.
As mentioned, these pipes can be very quiet and at even speed they barely louder than stock (though throatier and deeper) but just twist the throttle ever so much more and they bark out, crank the grip over and it screams like a raped ape.
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| SeanS | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 17/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,179 | | Location | : | Matlock, Derbyshire UK, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 16 Nov 2009 - 05:32 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: Thatch) | | |
Thatch wrote:
..... even speed they barely louder than stock (though throatier and deeper) but just twist the throttle ever so much more and they bark out, crank the grip over and it screams like a raped ape. |
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Are now that could be a problem! We have enough Apes around trying to discourage load noise. Would therefore prefer to not attract them too much...
Do sound good though I prefer the Triumph Shorty look to thye longer pipes. Any idea if BC might be doing shorter version Thatch?
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 16 Nov 2009 - 13:25 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: SeanS) | | | Well these are right between the longs and the shorts. Personally I find them to be the prefect length. They give the same sweeping line of the longs but without that sort of catalivered tail hanging out there. I've never cared for the shorts. Of course that white hardtail tbird custom's short pipes are the exception. I really like those.
I'd be surprised if BC did just a shorter version of the same pipe. If and when they do another pipe for the bird I suspect it would be quite a bit different than these.
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| mustang66man | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 20/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 100 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Nov 2009 - 16:55 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: Thatch) | | | Thatch Is BC going to come out with their own tune or just stay with the TOR tune. If the TOR tune is good for their system than those of us going the TOR route should be able to get a cat bypass installed without running to lean. I'm sure we're all waiting on tuneboy to hit the streets with their programmer.
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Nov 2009 - 17:25 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: mustang66man) | | | They are developing their own tune. They started out focusing on the PowerCommander for a tune solution but have since indicated that they may end up going for a tuneboy solution (not sure if that is an 'instead of' or 'as well as' decision). For now I am using the TOR tune. I don't seem to be running lean and have had nothing but improved performance, I suspect much of that has to do with the intake restrictions. Add an airbox mod onto this and we may well have some issues without a custom tune.
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| mustang66man | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 20/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 100 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Nov 2009 - 18:19 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: Thatch) | | | If triumph doesn't come out with their own cat bypass, I'm sure that a custom muffler shops that could do it and look professional.
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Nov 2009 - 19:24 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: mustang66man) | | | thats what i said over at RAT i think. A muffler shop will bend you any size pipe you need. But you may have to chrome it otherwise the part the heat shield doesn't cover will look bad. I have no doubt tho that cay bypass by either triumph, 3rd party, or both will eventually happen. My dealer told me triumph has it in the works. Thats not to say his word is gospel, but it don't hurt.
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Nov 2009 - 19:46 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: daz) | | | The stock heat shield covers the whole area between the headers and rear pipes. The cat (which bridges between the two) is off colored. The connections and clamps for it area ll covered behind the rather long heat shields. I would just get some stainless pipe and have it bent to fit, slap it in and over it with the stock shield. I think that would work fine. You'll probably loose about 12lbs doing that. The cat is pretty heavy.
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| mustang66man | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 20/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 100 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Nov 2009 - 19:14 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: Thatch) | | | That's what I was thinking too.
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| hypervista | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 21/08/2009 | | Posts | : | 26 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Nov 2009 - 02:21 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: mustang66man) | | | I got mine installed today and must say that I'm really pleased with them. My ride home took me over the Potomac river at Harpers Ferry (I took the long way home... ) and where I cross the river it's a fairly steep downhill and the bridge is bracketed by jersey walls on both sides. As I decelerated downhill and got between those jersey walls, the sound was absolutely gorgeous! I'm still smiling!
I really like the looks of these pipes too, with one exception. I like the black powder coated pipe ends of the stock exhaust and these pipes are polished steal all around. That aspect of them may grow on me, but I miss those black pipe ends.
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Nov 2009 - 02:35 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: hypervista) | | |
hypervista wrote:
by jersey walls on both sides. As I decelerated downhill and got between those jersey walls, the sound was absolutely gorgeous! I'm still smiling!
I really like the looks of these pipes too, with one exception. I like the black powder coated pipe ends of the stock exhaust and these pipes are polished steal all around. That aspect of them may grow on me, but I miss those black pipe ends. |
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Be patient....they will likely blacken over a short time from the exhaust.
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Nov 2009 - 02:43 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: daz) | | | Or, tape off the pipe and spray on some stove black onto the insert
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Nov 2009 - 00:10 Post title : Re: Picked up the Hog Slayer pipes (Re: Thatch) | | | So, Hyper.... how do you like em? I haven't head you say much yet.
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