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| narsisco_lopez | | Thor |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Mar 2011 - 21:37 Post title : HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird | | | Well, as if I haven't been spending enough of my non-existent kids college funds this winter I just pulled the trigger on a GiPro DS-Series gear position indicator. Now that I've got the fairing installed, I'll just velcro that puppy to the fairing... that is, until next winter when I'll employ the help of my "evil genius" mechanical/electrical engineer brother to explore the possibility of removing the indicator from its housing and mounting it directly into the 'Bird's dash. I'm hoping there's enough room to the left of the center of the speedo needle to cut a "window" for the LED display.
Anybody out there thinking about something like this? Anybody (I'm talking to YOU, Alain!) that's pulled apart the dash know if there's even enough room to do it?
See mock-up below...
| 2012 Storm (SOLD!)
Other Bikes:
2003 Suzuki DRZ400E (plated - my dual sport/mountain trail/camping bike)
Past Bikes:
2012 K13S
2009 KTM 990 Adventure
2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
1975 Honda SB550T "Clubman"
1981 Kawasaki KZ1000J
1985 Suzuki GS550E
1978 Yamaha 650 Special
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| narsisco_lopez | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Mar 2011 - 21:45 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird | | | ALL HOPE DASHED 
I took a closer look at Alain's coffee Tbird photos and got my answer pretty definitively... NO ROOM AT THE INN!
| 2012 Storm (SOLD!)
Other Bikes:
2003 Suzuki DRZ400E (plated - my dual sport/mountain trail/camping bike)
Past Bikes:
2012 K13S
2009 KTM 990 Adventure
2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
1975 Honda SB550T "Clubman"
1981 Kawasaki KZ1000J
1985 Suzuki GS550E
1978 Yamaha 650 Special
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| Disquieter | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 18/10/2010 | | Posts | : | 36 | | Location | : | Dayton, OH, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Mar 2011 - 00:43 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird | | | It was a fantastic idea though and a bit of a shame there is not enough room to do it.
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| ataDude | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 19/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 527 | | Location | : | Texas, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Mar 2011 - 01:45 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | | I think with a little dremeling and some sort of small trim, it could be mounted below the gauges in place the the triangular Triumph logo. That's what I WAS going to do to mine.
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| narsisco_lopez | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Mar 2011 - 14:43 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: ataDude) | | | I just completed my 6 month Triumph Satisfaction Survey online and the minute they asked, "What one thing would you change on your new bike?" I answered: GEAR POSITION INDICATOR
| 2012 Storm (SOLD!)
Other Bikes:
2003 Suzuki DRZ400E (plated - my dual sport/mountain trail/camping bike)
Past Bikes:
2012 K13S
2009 KTM 990 Adventure
2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
1975 Honda SB550T "Clubman"
1981 Kawasaki KZ1000J
1985 Suzuki GS550E
1978 Yamaha 650 Special
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| Thatch | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Mar 2011 - 14:53 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | | You know, I gotta say, I've never seen the fascination with gear position indicators. Outside of neutral I couldn't care less what gear I'm in so long as it's 'about right'. The bird's got such long legs that I don't try for 7th (I have held in 5th on the highway though because I didn't know I had another gear available) and below that it's all what feels right. So, what is it that makes knowing 'the number' so appealing and more beneficial than just having a feel for the bike and knowing the RPMs sound right?
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| narsisco_lopez | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Mar 2011 - 15:00 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: Thatch) | | |
Thatch wrote:
You know, I gotta say, I've never seen the fascination with gear position indicators. Outside of neutral I couldn't care less what gear I'm in so long as it's 'about right'. The bird's got such long legs that I don't try for 7th (I have held in 5th on the highway though because I didn't know I had another gear available) and below that it's all what feels right. So, what is it that makes knowing 'the number' so appealing and more beneficial than just having a feel for the bike and knowing the RPMs sound right? |
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I don't know if it's all those years riding sport bikes, but I am ALWAYS looking for another gear on top! 
| 2012 Storm (SOLD!)
Other Bikes:
2003 Suzuki DRZ400E (plated - my dual sport/mountain trail/camping bike)
Past Bikes:
2012 K13S
2009 KTM 990 Adventure
2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
1975 Honda SB550T "Clubman"
1981 Kawasaki KZ1000J
1985 Suzuki GS550E
1978 Yamaha 650 Special
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Mar 2011 - 15:21 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | | Just curious really... at 100mph the engine is still loping along so it just struck me as an odd need, obviously some do as you are hardly the only one to want one.
J
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| narsisco_lopez | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Mar 2011 - 15:59 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: Thatch) | | | I wonder if it has something to do with the way the ECU controls RPM for what Triumph calls over-drive vs. spirited acceleration? If I get to 6th in a casual sort of way, RPMs seem/feel low and I feel like the bike has settled in. But, with hard acceleration/short-shifting, 6th gear just feels like 5th to me... like engine revs indicate another gear shift.
Like you said, I'm not the only one: other guys on this forum have mentioned the desire for at least a 6th gear indicator. It's gotta come down to riding style and habits vs. the way the ECU controls RPM based on throttle position/response.
Either way, I'm betting Daz and DizzE have an opinion about this and I'd like to hear what they have to say, too.
A SIDE NOTE: As I've mentioned before, I'm an unapologetic gear-head/technology/information junkie. I also really have come to embrace the mixture of the Thunderbird's classic styling and modern technology, so throwing the right mixture of gadgetry into my riding experience has been fun and rewarding.
| 2012 Storm (SOLD!)
Other Bikes:
2003 Suzuki DRZ400E (plated - my dual sport/mountain trail/camping bike)
Past Bikes:
2012 K13S
2009 KTM 990 Adventure
2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
1975 Honda SB550T "Clubman"
1981 Kawasaki KZ1000J
1985 Suzuki GS550E
1978 Yamaha 650 Special
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Mar 2011 - 16:28 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | | narsisco_lopez wrote:
... It's gotta come down to riding style and habits vs. the way the ECU controls RPM .... |
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That and you're still riding that girly 1600
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| narsisco_lopez | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Mar 2011 - 16:33 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: Thatch) | | |
Thatch wrote:
narsisco_lopez wrote:
... It's gotta come down to riding style and habits vs. the way the ECU controls RPM .... |
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That and you're still riding that girly 1600
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Point taken! I'll give you that my world will probably drastically change when I put in the BB kit next winter. 
| 2012 Storm (SOLD!)
Other Bikes:
2003 Suzuki DRZ400E (plated - my dual sport/mountain trail/camping bike)
Past Bikes:
2012 K13S
2009 KTM 990 Adventure
2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
1975 Honda SB550T "Clubman"
1981 Kawasaki KZ1000J
1985 Suzuki GS550E
1978 Yamaha 650 Special
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| zolti | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 02 Mar 2011 - 16:57 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | |
narsisco_lopez wrote:
It's gotta come down to riding style and habits vs. the way the ECU controls RPM based on throttle position/response.
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whatever the riding style the gearing ratio is not altered, the speed in top gear at x mph will be the same rpm however fast or slow you get there
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| narsisco_lopez | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Mar 2011 - 17:06 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: zolti) | | | Hey Zolti... that's not quite true, mate. The 'Bird's ECU performs differently depending upon throttle input/response...
Quote from MotorcyclistOnline article:
"Fuel and air convene in a pair of 42mm throttle bodies, controlled by an EFI system that maps optimal mixture separately for each cylinder. And the T-Bird's "intelligent" ECU monitors how fast you open the throttle as well to optimize internal combustion."
| 2012 Storm (SOLD!)
Other Bikes:
2003 Suzuki DRZ400E (plated - my dual sport/mountain trail/camping bike)
Past Bikes:
2012 K13S
2009 KTM 990 Adventure
2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
1975 Honda SB550T "Clubman"
1981 Kawasaki KZ1000J
1985 Suzuki GS550E
1978 Yamaha 650 Special
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| AlainD | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/12/2010 | | Posts | : | 164 | | Location | : | Nice, France |
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| | Posted : 02 Mar 2011 - 17:28 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | | Ouups, sorry for the late response, I was oversea, but I'll check there might be some space there to put a gear indicator
I'll take the measurements and will let you know.
(BTW ... expect pictures of the cofee tbird within 10 days before it goes to the paintshop)
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| zolti | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 02 Mar 2011 - 19:44 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | |
narsisco_lopez wrote:
Hey Zolti... that's not quite true, mate. The 'Bird's ECU performs differently depending upon throttle input/response...
Quote from MotorcyclistOnline article:
"Fuel and air convene in a pair of 42mm throttle bodies, controlled by an EFI system that maps optimal mixture separately for each cylinder. And the T-Bird's "intelligent" ECU monitors how fast you open the throttle as well to optimize internal combustion."
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what i said is exactly true narsisco
i did not disagree with the ecu selecting different maps dependant upon throttle response,  infact i made no reference to that.
what i said if you took the time to read it correctly was
"whatever the riding style the gearing ratio is not altered, the speed in top gear at x mph will be the same rpm however fast or slow you get there"
and that is true,
unless you are telling me the bike selects different gear ratios for either map selected ( which it doesnt)
the bike will not travel in top gear at 100 mph at different rpm dependant on the map used to get there, the rpm will be exaxtly the same at that speed.
the inference to spell it out simply is that i was agreeing with your earlier comment that dependant upon the way you ride could be why in one instance you feel the need to select a 7th gear.
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| narsisco_lopez | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Mar 2011 - 20:47 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: zolti) | | |
zolti wrote:
narsisco_lopez wrote:
Hey Zolti... that's not quite true, mate. The 'Bird's ECU performs differently depending upon throttle input/response...
Quote from MotorcyclistOnline article:
"Fuel and air convene in a pair of 42mm throttle bodies, controlled by an EFI system that maps optimal mixture separately for each cylinder. And the T-Bird's "intelligent" ECU monitors how fast you open the throttle as well to optimize internal combustion."
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what i said is exactly true narsisco
i did not disagree with the ecu selecting different maps dependant upon throttle response, infact i made no reference to that.
what i said if you took the time to read it correctly was
"whatever the riding style the gearing ratio is not altered, the speed in top gear at x mph will be the same rpm however fast or slow you get there"
and that is true,
unless you are telling me the bike selects different gear ratios for either map selected ( which it doesnt)
the bike will not travel in top gear at 100 mph at different rpm dependant on the map used to get there, the rpm will be exaxtly the same at that speed.
the inference to spell it out simply is that i was agreeing with your earlier comment that dependant upon the way you ride could be why in one instance you feel the need to select a 7th gear. |
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Nope, definitely NOT saying that the bike selects different gearing... I know that's not true. Sorry if we crossed wires on that one! 
| 2012 Storm (SOLD!)
Other Bikes:
2003 Suzuki DRZ400E (plated - my dual sport/mountain trail/camping bike)
Past Bikes:
2012 K13S
2009 KTM 990 Adventure
2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
1975 Honda SB550T "Clubman"
1981 Kawasaki KZ1000J
1985 Suzuki GS550E
1978 Yamaha 650 Special
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| Gonzo | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2010 | | Posts | : | 643 | | Location | : | Sydney, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 04 Mar 2011 - 01:50 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: Thatch) | | |
Thatch wrote:
(I have held in 5th on the highway though because I didn't know I had another gear available) and below that it's all what feels right. |
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Like you, I don't think numbers indicating what gear I am in is at all useful.
But also like you, I have found myself riding along in 5th for extended periods on a freeway when I could have been in 6th.
So just a single light showing 6th gear would be a good compromise.
Gonzo
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Mods: locking gas cap; ISO-Wings for passenger; engine guards; dresser bars; Arlen Ness LED licence plate holder, rego tube and coloured number plate; long TORs; Pilot highway pegs w/ Magnum clamps; windshield; lower deflectors (customised); ISO grips; HD switch-block; Hardstreet Slimbags (colour matched); Corbin dual tour seat; Luggage rack & bag.
Todo: Various chroming of hand-made parts, Convex mirrors
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| zolti | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 04 Mar 2011 - 21:47 Post title : Re: HealTech GiPro DS-Series for My 'Bird (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | |
narsisco_lopez wrote:
Sorry if we crossed wires on that one! |
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no worries mate
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