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| | | Ted | | Chaac |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/06/2010 | | Posts | : | 551 | | Location | : | March, Cambs, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 06 Dec 2010 - 10:49 Post title : Satnav via iPhone | | | Has anyone tried this arrangement? Santa has promised a bike satnav and a "Kindle" type device but the cost (& negative reviews) of a Garmin leads me to think I can get an iPhone that'll do all I want, for less. Is there a particular model I should go for?
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| | | Bender | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 26/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 673 | | Location | : | Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 06 Dec 2010 - 11:31 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Ted) | | | Get a an Iphone 4 and download an app called Metro view cost me $24.95 AU$ 
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| | | Birdy68 | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,352 | | Location | : | Bad Zurzach, Aargau, Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 06 Dec 2010 - 13:14 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Ted) | | | Ted wrote:
Has anyone tried this arrangement? Santa has promised a bike satnav and a "Kindle" type device but the cost (& negative reviews) of a Garmin leads me to think I can get an iPhone that'll do all I want, for less. Is there a particular model I should go for? |
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Well I LOVE GARMIN satNavs - but that's because I've had them all my life.
BUT..... You can also go for an Android smart phone:
- Samsung
- HTC
- Panasonic
- HP
with Android Froyo (2.2) operating system.
Android is built together with Google - so Google maps, Nav is thrown into the package. NATURALLY - you'll have internet charges to think about!
Or you could down load some of the many softwares available from the Android Market Place
If I'm not mistaken Pappa does it this way too! Here - look at his setup:
Pappasgarage wrote:
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For navigation I used my Android phone, Samsung Galaxy i9000 and the CoPilot navigation program and map that functioned
as a Swiss watch, phone mounted on a Nokia car mount.
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Here's the thread
If you get either an iPhone 3 or HTC Desire, then you have a cool Touratech iBracket to hold your phone with!
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| | | Gonzo | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2010 | | Posts | : | 643 | | Location | : | Sydney, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 07 Dec 2010 - 02:12 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Ted) | | | Yep, I can vouch on using an iPhone. (Pics in gallery.)
RAM make an excellent mount for them albiet not waterproof.
That's one good thing about proper SatNavs is they will be there for you, rain hail or shine. Any phone you use will need to be out of the rain!
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| | | Thatch | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 07 Dec 2010 - 08:11 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Birdy68) | | | FYI, Google just announced it's next version of Maps that will be coming out in a few days. The new maps are now vector based (no tile loading) and because they are vector and therefore a lot smaller than bitmap there is an 'off-line' mode where you can pre-cache you routes on the phone (or tablet) so there is no connection issue to be concerned with. That's a big win for using a phone for navigation in Europe to be sure, means you can still use the nav feature even when you cross over into another country without having to pay the data fees.
Best of luck finding a solution that works for you.
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| | | Birdy68 | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,352 | | Location | : | Bad Zurzach, Aargau, Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 07 Dec 2010 - 08:18 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Thatch) | | | Thatch wrote:
FYI, Google just announced it's next version of Maps that will be coming out in a few days. |
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| | | Ted | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/06/2010 | | Posts | : | 551 | | Location | : | March, Cambs, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 07 Dec 2010 - 08:44 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Birdy68) | | | Great advice & handy hints. Very grateful.
I've reined in a wife who was about to get a Garmin 660 for me. I'll just have to find a correspondingly suitable gift for her. The ironing board wasn't appreciated last year, or the new set of pans in the previous year. I've had a great idea for this year though; a complete range of cleaning products! Can't wait to see her little face light up.
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| | | mat1600 | | Thunderbird | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 07 Dec 2010 - 11:28 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Ted) | | |
Ted wrote:
Great advice & handy hints. Very grateful.
I've reined in a wife who was about to get a Garmin 660 for me. I'll just have to find a correspondingly suitable gift for her. The ironing board wasn't appreciated last year, or the new set of pans in the previous year. I've had a great idea for this year though; a complete range of cleaning products! Can't wait to see her little face light up. |
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So you trust her to clean your Bird
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| | | EnGage | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 07 Dec 2010 - 13:33 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Thatch) | | | Thatch wrote:
FYI, Google just announced it's next version of Maps that will be coming out in a few days. The new maps are now vector based (no tile loading) and because they are vector and therefore a lot smaller than bitmap there is an 'off-line' mode where you can pre-cache you routes on the phone (or tablet) so there is no connection issue to be concerned with. That's a big win for using a phone for navigation in Europe to be sure, means you can still use the nav feature even when you cross over into another country without having to pay the data fees.
Best of luck finding a solution that works for you. |
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That will be nice 
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| | | Gonzo | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2010 | | Posts | : | 643 | | Location | : | Sydney, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 08 Dec 2010 - 01:52 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Thatch) | | | >The new maps are now vector based (no tile loading)
That's brilliant!
Wonder how long before the iPhone gets this update?
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Mods: locking gas cap; ISO-Wings for passenger; engine guards; dresser bars; Arlen Ness LED licence plate holder, rego tube and coloured number plate; long TORs; Pilot highway pegs w/ Magnum clamps; windshield; lower deflectors (customised); ISO grips; HD switch-block; Hardstreet Slimbags (colour matched); Corbin dual tour seat; Luggage rack & bag.
Todo: Various chroming of hand-made parts, Convex mirrors
Wishlist: Mini-ape handlebars, Hard clearcoat over tank
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| | | Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 08 Dec 2010 - 06:49 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Gonzo) | | | No release estimate at this time. At launch it is Android only, it won't even be in the desktop version. I'm sure they have plans to release on as many platforms as possible, that's just their model. If I was guessing it would be 3-4 months before iPhone can get it (that's assuming Apple doesn't introduce it's own delays to it's release) but that's just an educated guess.
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| | | Birdy68 | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,352 | | Location | : | Bad Zurzach, Aargau, Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 08 Dec 2010 - 11:23 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Thatch) | | | Thatch wrote:
FYI, Google just announced it's next version of Maps that will be coming out in a few days. |
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Do you have any specific dates on the Thatch?
I was around at my dealer this morning as I didn't fancy trudging into work! It's too cold and too grey... I needed to brighten my day up - so I went to see the new Tiger again :-D
Anyway - I was able to tick off something from my 'to-do' list, and that involved ordering a nice SW-Motech Universal GPS 1 1/4" Handlebar Mount for my 'Bird so that my Touratech iBracket can be fitted.
So basically - Google, if you're listening, you have until next Spring time to bring out that new software update  The 'Bird is packed away until then.
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| | | Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 08 Dec 2010 - 11:40 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Birdy68) | | | The word is that the release will be in 'a matter of days' but nothing more specific than that. The Desire should be able to to use most of the new features though it 'may' not be able to do the double touch 'tilt and rotate', where you can change the angle of viewing and the rotation by using two fingers on the screen at once. (requires 'distinct multi-touch' which I know the Nexus One doesn't have and the Desire is basically the same thing. Not a big deal actually all the other features you'll have)
Here is what it looks like now.
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| | | narsisco_lopez | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 09 Dec 2010 - 00:49 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Thatch) | | | The caching of maps will be very cool... I guess that's another reason to consider dumping my iPhone for an Android 
I actually love the Google Maps feature on my iPhone, but with funky Edge/3G network issues in the US (basically, totally overloaded networks), I can't see myself relying 100% on the iPhone as a GPS device while traveling by 'sickle in areas I've never been before. Though, I REALLY like the look of the Android interface!
Still, I'm seriously considering a Garmin Zumo for my big 10K mile trip this summer... and of course, a nice, solid, old-fashioned Atlas as a back-up and big picture tool!
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2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
1975 Honda SB550T "Clubman"
1981 Kawasaki KZ1000J
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| | | Birdy68 | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,352 | | Location | : | Bad Zurzach, Aargau, Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 09 Dec 2010 - 05:10 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Thatch) | | | Thatch wrote:
Here is what it looks like now.
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With that there 'compass needle' in the upper left, I'd say that was the 'Navigation' software!?
Now that I come to think about it - it interests me what you use Thatch!
Do you use Googles':
'Maps'
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'Navigation'
to navigate?
...or are they both the same... 
I personally use Maps to look and guide myself - but noticed that the screen-saver kicks in after a while of no usage!
Whereas the Navigation software deactivates the screen-saver and remains on.
Just wondering....
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| | | Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 09 Dec 2010 - 07:53 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Birdy68) | | | Maps and Navigation are the same app, just different 'modes' of the same app. Now those modes are more integrated with the ability to tilt and spin the map, that's why you see the compass in that image. The map was tilted and spun so that it is no longer oriented to the North, so the compass is needed. You'll also notice the 3d buildings. The have that for 100 cities so far with more to come. That could be a big help in a congested city. (of course it will be 12 years before it comes to Germany because bizarre privacy concerns)
If I am going somewhere in particular I use the navigation mode. As you said it keeps the phone 'awake'. My crappy temporary android phone can't do turn by turn navigation, so while it can show you the route it can't take you there so I have to use it in map mode, pretty hard while you are driving to keep looking at the screen, and moving it to keep your location on screen and keep it from going to sleep. I have to use it that way, I can't imagine using it that way by choice though.
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| | | Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 09 Dec 2010 - 08:35 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | | narsisco_lopez wrote:
The caching of maps will be very cool... I guess that's another reason to consider dumping my iPhone for an Android
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Well, I'll try not to go too far down that road, but.... I would. :P
At it's simplest, if you want clean simple easy to use interfaces on a single slick piece of hardware in a walled garden (and everything positive and negative that comes with that) stay where you are.
If you want a bit more cutting edge, more choices on more carriers and more powerful hardware then go Android. However, with all those positives I would be remiss not to mention that the more open approach you get less consistency in quality (apps and phones) you get more glitches (again apps and hardware) and you tend to be a more 'active' user. In other words you tend to 'fiddle' with an Android more. Of course the plus side of that is that you can fiddle with it more, so that can be a positive and a negative. Basically more choices means more chances to choose wrong.
I will say this though, with how Android is permiating the market and with the number of devices being released, if you think you might like to have multiple types of devices all tied together there is a strong argument for going single platform.
I plan on installing one of the large tablets in the kitchen as a 'cooks companion' and household calendar (replacing notes on the refrigerator and a bunch of cookbooks) and using a somewhat smaller tablet in my truck as a nav system. Add to that my wife's phone and my phone as well. Oh, and I've got an old laptop and a netbook that I'll probably swap over to chrome OS when the time comes and make them media hubs. Making them all work together should be pretty easy though.
What ever you want to do though, the new maps will eventually be released for iOS as well. I suspect in 3-4 months but because they have to have Apple's approval to offer it that time could always be lengthened.
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| | | Gonzo | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2010 | | Posts | : | 643 | | Location | : | Sydney, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 10 Dec 2010 - 02:36 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Thatch) | | | Well described, Thatch. I will add:
If you are still young (or young at heart) and have the time, and actually enjoy, to be mucking around with technology for the sake of mucking around with it, then Android is the way to go. It is kinda like Linux: Those that have the time to play with it, LOVE it and would not in a pink fit like the constrainst put upon them by the likes of Apple or even Microsoft.
But if you are of the older generation, or if you are almost too busy to ride (let alone frig around with a piece of technology to make it work) or you simply expect things (in this day and age) to just work simply and do what you want quickly, or if you are technically challenged like (let's face it) most women, get an iPhone. It will be engineered well. It will work right out of the box. It will be almost too easy to use. You will have stacks of accessory options. And almost all your *cool* friends have one. ;-)
But you wont be able to break into it easily. You wont be able to get your Atari 2600 emulator to work on it. You'll only have the option of about 260,000 applications to choose from, and you will, without option, become an Apple fan and probably end up buying a Mac. If any of this bothers you, get an Android phone from any one of a dozen manufacturers that make none of them look the same, that you can't get any accessories for and your FORD or BMW or AUDI or (well, ANY car) will certainly NOT have an interface to it.
But you know what I love the MOST about this question of "IPhone vs Android" is?
That Microsoft isn't even in the game any more. Their Windows Phone 7 is a flop. My prediction is it will be their last attempt at this market. iPhone and Android have it sewn up. Goodbye Microsoft - at least in one market.
Now if only Google would make a desktop OS - we could be rid of the evil for ever. :) Go OpenOffice! :)
>What ever you want to do though, the new maps will eventually be released for iOS as well. I suspect in 3-4 months but because they have to have Apple's approval to offer it that time could always be lengthened.
That's the only bit I don't agree with you on: Maps is a core application on iPhone. Once the new version is freely available, you'll see it on iPhone as an iOS update pretty darn quick, I reckon.
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Mods: locking gas cap; ISO-Wings for passenger; engine guards; dresser bars; Arlen Ness LED licence plate holder, rego tube and coloured number plate; long TORs; Pilot highway pegs w/ Magnum clamps; windshield; lower deflectors (customised); ISO grips; HD switch-block; Hardstreet Slimbags (colour matched); Corbin dual tour seat; Luggage rack & bag.
Todo: Various chroming of hand-made parts, Convex mirrors
Wishlist: Mini-ape handlebars, Hard clearcoat over tank
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| | | Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 10 Dec 2010 - 06:41 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Gonzo) | | | Gonzo wrote:
that you can't get any accessories for and your FORD or BMW or AUDI or (well, ANY car) will certainly NOT have an interface to it.
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Actually this is no longer the case. I have been actively shopping for a new car the last few weeks with a lot of time spent in the M3 sedan and the AMG C63, both of which have moved to a bluetooth pairing system and away from a Apple specific connector. With the growth of Android in the market manufacturers have realized (again... how many times do they have to go through this?) that proprietary connectors are a dead end. They have moved back to the standards. These cars have full uses of the phone, phonebook, MP3 and movie files on the phone.
TDK has just released a new series of 'boom boxes' that are really sweet and they all use a USB connection and have forgone the Apple connection. I'm seeing this in much cheaper products as well and it only makes sense for companies to do this. Why take sides in a battle like that and limit who you can sell to? But historically you are correct, all the accessories were on the Apple side of things. Of course I never wanted anything for my phone other than a car mount/charger and head phones. I never saw much use in anything else.
Now if only Google would make a desktop OS - we could be rid of the evil for ever.
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They do. It's called Chrome OS. It will be released in March I think. It is a complete cloud based OS. The just demoed 'cloud printing' earlier this week, which lets you print to any web accessible printer without any driver installed on your system. I'm not sure it's an MS killer but it is an MS leech. They will bleed off a lot of installs from MS in places like libraries, schools, netbook type applications and some businesses. People with Heavy computing needs or specialized softwares won't find a fit for themselves in Chrome.
>What ever you want to do though, the new maps will eventually be released for iOS as well. I suspect in 3-4 months but because they have to have Apple's approval to offer it that time could always be lengthened.
That's the only bit I don't agree with you on: Maps is a core application on iPhone. Once the new version is freely available, you'll see it on iPhone as an iOS update pretty darn quick, I reckon.
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Oh I realize it is a core application but Apple has slowed the release of nearly every Google product on the iphone. That is one of the big problems I have with Apple, the stranglehold they put on products released. We shall see I suppose.
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| | | EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 10 Dec 2010 - 12:21 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Gonzo) | | | Gonzo wrote:
Now if only Google would make a desktop OS - we could be rid of the evil for ever. :) Go OpenOffice! :)
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I have an Android phone and love it, but I'll never understand people's hatred of Microsoft. If it wasn't for MS, we'd still be paying $10,000 for a home PC.
Second, as a software developer I like Microsoft. I ran development for a company called Provia from 1998 to 2006 (Provia is now a part of Infor after being acquired by SSA Global). We developed a Warehouse Management System (WMS) that was used to run the warehouses of many tier1 companies like Gillette, Owns Corning, Taylor Made, Tucker Rocky, Brightpoint, etc). It was a big system (millions of lines of code) that was OS and database independent, i.e., we ran on all flavors of Unix, Linux and Windows and on top of Oracle, Informix, DB2 and SQL Server.
Getting our systems to run on all flavors of Unix was a nightmare. There were enough differences betwee the various flavors of Unix (HP, Sun, AIX, etc.), that it was a laborious process to port to them. Linux - getting drivers that worked was nearly impossible, but with Microsoft, every developer have a full IDE and runtime environment right on his/her PC and when a release came through Alpha test it was ready to run on any hardware that ran windows. Nice and easy
Open source is great just don't try create an enterprise application with it.
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| | | narsisco_lopez | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 09/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 2,765 | | Location | : | Golden (Showers!), Colorado, United States |
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| | Posted : 10 Dec 2010 - 14:44 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: EnGage) | | |
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I have the feeling that in the 21st century Apple will be considered with the same level of hatred that Microsoft was in the 20th. Don't know about everyone else who hates/used to hate Microsoft, but my feelings are that ANY company that gets as large as Microsoft (and now Apple) has WAY too much power over the industry. My bitch about Microsoft has always been... too much control, too much "You WILL do it OUR way" attitude.
Now, Apple is displaying that same attitude. Technology moves forward from innovation, but innovation stagnates when a corporation like Microsoft and Apple spend more of their vast resources and time BLOCKING other companies/technologies from emerging than actually moving technology forward through innovation.
In short, when the weeds get thick, you've gotta knock 'em back to make room for new plants. The Microsoft weeds have been knocked back a bit over the past few years, but now the Apple weeds will need to be knocked back... or every piece of technology we use in 10 years will have an (i) in front of it!
Just my VERY HUMBLE opinion
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Other Bikes:
2003 Suzuki DRZ400E (plated - my dual sport/mountain trail/camping bike)
Past Bikes:
2012 K13S
2009 KTM 990 Adventure
2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600 (the Alien Queen)
2009 Triumph Sprint ST (another great bike!)
2007 Kawasaki ZX10R
2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
1975 Honda SB550T "Clubman"
1981 Kawasaki KZ1000J
1985 Suzuki GS550E
1978 Yamaha 650 Special
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| | | Ted | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/06/2010 | | Posts | : | 551 | | Location | : | March, Cambs, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 10 Dec 2010 - 14:49 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: Gonzo) | | |
Gonzo wrote:
But you know what I love the MOST about this question of "IPhone vs Android" is?
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I feel like the guy that walks into the pub, says something that starts a fight, then walks out untouched.
All this fiddling (farkling?)with technology seems to be the primary frontiersman activity of Aussies & Yanks. I am an engineer by profession and love the total absorption of problem solving but in this case I like the idea of unwrapping the iPhone, downloading dozens/100s of Apps, bolting on the Touratech cradle and plugging it in.
I'd love to use a Linux driven computer (this is an iMac) and I envy you your experience and computer skills but I fear I'd become obsessed with the tinkering and have no time for anything else.
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| | | EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Dec 2010 - 12:26 Post title : Re: Satnav via iPhone (Re: narsisco_lopez) | | | narsisco_lopez wrote:
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In short, when the weeds get thick, you've gotta knock 'em back to make room for new plants. The Microsoft weeds have been knocked back a bit over the past few years, but now the Apple weeds will need to be knocked back... or every piece of technology we use in 10 years will have an (i) in front of it!
Just my VERY HUMBLE opinion
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I do understand that, but I think big companies weed themselves out by design. They get large, no longer nimble and then others come in. Sure, Microsoft has bought a lot of competition, but there are others that slip through the cracks and take a different approach that doesn't get the attention of Microsoft. Google is an example, they started with a basic concept - make a basic browser that, unlike Microsoft, isn't feature rich, but that is easy to use and does and "ANDED" search by default (back then searches where ORs by default, which was stooopid). The browser took off, so they went into the web advertising game, became huge, now have a popular browser (I am writing this response with Chrome), a phone and are about to release a web-only OS (Chrome-OS). Microsoft wasn't able to stop these guys because they didn't see it coming and Google won't be able to stop whomever overtakes them.
What I am saying is 1) I admire Microsoft for bringing affordable computer to all of us, 2) I realize they compete hard, which is frustrating at time, but 3) As much as I like them, I know something new will come around them (over-take them), such that we don't have to actively dismantle them - it will happen on it's own, just like it does for all companies.
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