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| | | daz | | Zeus |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Oct 2010 - 15:19 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: DizzE) | | |
DizzE wrote:
You are worrying me with that question. You have to operate the software. There is no
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Well, yeah, but i did say there was something i tried to view the map, but it didn't work. I just don't recall what, but I looked at all the options but nothing i tried worked. But i had little juice left so i didn't investigate further. I'm charging it now and will check it out again today. This is all just curiosity, as i have no intention of loading that map you gave me. I would have liked to try it before, as several people have said the 1700 map works great in the 1600. But i a week it'll be getting BB'd anyways so no sense in it. I would like to see if AI is enabled tho because while it appears to be on the 1700, not sure whether it is on the 1600 or 1600/tors maps.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Oct 2010 - 15:59 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: daz) | | | Ahh, ok, i forgot but now i recall after trying it again...."read map"........result? "unknown map type". Yep....it won't read the map in my ECU. Why? Could he have messed with 1.7.5 after he gave Dizze the beta and done something to it that caused this? Dizze....how about downloading the one thats up now and see if it will read the map in your bike.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Oct 2010 - 18:23 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: daz) | | | breath...daz, my buddy, I tested 1.7.5. I gave the GO to release it. Remember? Also, let's be clear. I didn't give you ANY beta. That would
be betraying the confidence of the pre-release testing. I told you that.
I sent you my map. That's it.
I will post it here. As I encourage others. But, hey, you know. If your bike still starts, consider yourself fortunate. I have no idea.
I went through weeks of testing. Wiped my bike's map more than once. I think you need to slow down. Just friendly advice.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Oct 2010 - 18:49 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: DizzE) | | | I think you're misunderstanding me. I wasn't suggesting you sent me a tuneecu beta, i was saying that you are using what he gave you as a final version to test with and that maybe THAT IS A BETA and possibly he's changed something before he posted the 1.7.5 version. Why did i suggest that? Because you can read the map that is in your bike's ECU, i can't. I am NOT SAYING IT IS, nor am i saying you gave me anything. I am using the version i downloaded from tuneecu that is 1.7.5
I open tuneecu while plugged into the bike. I turn on the key. When the light goes green the map version is shown so i know it's reading the ECU. BUT, it will not open the map that is IN THE BIKE. Not yours, the map the bike is now loaded with. I click the menu item that says "READ MAP" and it gives me an error saying "unknown map type".
I can't "slow down" any more because i've barely done anything !What more can i do after it tells me that but turn off the PC and go do something else !You need to do what cornerbanger was telling me to do because we're both guilty of it....read the post more thoroughly B4 replying.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Oct 2010 - 19:23 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
I think you're misunderstanding me. I wasn't suggesting you sent me a tuneecu beta, i was saying that you are using what he gave you as a final version to test with and that maybe THAT IS A BETA and possibly he's changed something before he posted the 1.7.5 version. Why did i suggest that? Because you can read the map that is in your bike's ECU, i can't. I am NOT SAYING IT IS, nor am i saying you gave me anything. I am using the version i downloaded from tuneecu that is 1.7.5
I open tuneecu while plugged into the bike. I turn on the key. When the light goes green the map version is shown so i know it's reading the ECU. BUT, it will not open the map that is IN THE BIKE. Not yours, the map the bike is now loaded with. I click the menu item that says "READ MAP" and it gives me an error saying "unknown map type".
I can't "slow down" any more because i've barely done anything !What more can i do after it tells me that but turn off the PC and go do something else !You need to do what cornerbanger was telling me to do because we're both guilty of it....read the post more thoroughly B4 replying. |
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..if you didn't hurt your bike, that's all i was concerned about.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Oct 2010 - 19:32 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: DizzE) | | | Of course not. I wasn't trying to load a map or anything like that. I just wanted to look at the map thats in the bike and see if the AI was enabled or not. But tuneecu apparently just doesn't work on my bike for some reason.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Oct 2010 - 19:36 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
DizzE wrote:
You are worrying me with that question. You have to operate the software. There is no
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Well, yeah, but i did say there was something i tried to view the map, but it didn't work. I just don't recall what, but I looked at all the options but nothing i tried worked. But i had little juice left so i didn't investigate further. I'm charging it now and will check it out again today.
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Wait a minute...you didn't put it on the Tender, didn't pull the headlight fuse. Yet, you read the map??? And went until you ran down the battery?!? WOW. That's all I can say.
You haven't studied what's been said. You cannot do that.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Oct 2010 - 19:44 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: DizzE) | | | The battery in the LAPTOP ! And no, like i said i couldn't read the map because it gives me a wrong map type error
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Oct 2010 - 22:10 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
The battery in the LAPTOP ! And no, like i said i couldn't read the map because it gives me a wrong map type error |
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Lawdhy!!! You gave me such a fright. Very Good. And the bike's OK. ,whew,...
I've had luck by plugging in the cable to laptop first.
Only then bring up TuneECU on a working UART driver and cable...that may help.
Pull fuses,
hook to battery tender
Hook laptop cable to bike connector.
THEN turn on the key and the cut-off switch
NOW, manually tell t-ecu to connect
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Oct 2010 - 22:22 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: DizzE) | | | I've done it with plugging the cable in before and after i started the laptop and all that, it's just not working. It does all else, it just will not allow me to bring up the map in the ECU. And if and when the day comes to try loading a map i'm going to pass unless this is rectified first because as long as this isn't working i'm not going to attempt to do anything else with it aside from read only. I imagine i won't be the only one with this issue, so the more people it happens to the more likely a solution will come about. I'm off to the website to see if theres a troubleshooting or FAQs that has anything about this.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Oct 2010 - 22:46 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: daz) | | | Interesting..early days. Tested only on a 1700. There could be something.
There is a trace you can run. Map offsets? A lot of things could need including.
So, first adopter on 1600TOR. Send to his support email and he will
send you a tracer for 1600, if you ask, I'd guess. Mention me.
That's how I got mine working. A brick at a time. He likes brief.
He doesn't care for the narrative. Tracefiles and updates back and forth.
Few words. He asks, I answer.
I'd guess it's probably minor in your case.
Also, if it doesn't show the software checksum in the logs, you aren't really in.
Also, ECU infos in the upper left of the map screen should show the checksum.
Can you post a screen shot? He asked me for those, as well.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Oct 2010 - 23:51 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: DizzE) | | | I asked the question in the RAT thread on tuneecu and some guy said he had the same issue and it was an outdated map. I guess i can see how this might happen. If there is a feature in the 1700 that is NOT in the 1600 or visa versa and it's function is part of the map, then i can see it. For example the later bikes had no AI, so if yours didn't have AI then when Alain edited the program to work with the Tbird he was going by yours and when i tried to open mine it saw the AI enable/disable function and saw the map as a unknown entity. Now before you say "but my 1700 DOES have AI", i realize that, but i was just using that as an example because it's the only thing i know of they changed on the later models. But there may be other things in YOUR bike that were changed in the map outline because your bike IS about a year older than mine. So i guess that may well be it. But since i'm getting the BB in a week it doesn't matter. I'll give it a shot after i get it back.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Oct 2010 - 00:40 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: daz) | | | Exactly, consider it a super-set problem. He needs to treat this one 1700 map as a sub-set, now. Then solve
for another sub-set, then another. Soon he'll discover the more general case.
Your feedback matters. Run a trace. Help the needy. 
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| | | Keets | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/02/2009 | | Posts | : | 453 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 25 Oct 2010 - 05:58 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: HooRad) | | |
HooRad wrote:
As some of you may know, I'm waiting for the PC module to be released as a beta in a month or so so that I can tune the Bird after a serious airbox mod... |
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Woowho!. I didnt know about that. This "month or so"...do you have some kind of commitment from Dynojet or is this going to be like the TB commitment..."very shortly"? lol.
Will it be for sale to the general public?
I was going to go with the TB and have it tuned...having had a couple of conversations with the knowledgable lately..."wait for the PC it will be a better option" I've decided not to go with TB.
| Cruisin' on thru the junction i'm flyin' 'bout the speed of sound
Noticin' peculiar function i ain't no roller coaster show me down.
I turned away to see her woa! she caught my eye
But i was rollin' down movin' too fast;
...Doh!
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| | | HooRad | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 19/01/2010 | | Posts | : | 280 | | Location | : | Richmond, VA, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Oct 2010 - 20:15 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: Keets) | | | Keets wrote:
Woowho!. I didnt know about that. This "month or so"...do you have some kind of commitment from Dynojet or is this going to be like the TB commitment..."very shortly"? lol.
Will it be for sale to the general public?
I was going to go with the TB and have it tuned...having had a couple of conversations with the knowledgable lately..."wait for the PC it will be a better option" I've decided not to go with TB.
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Yeah, the "beta" unit will be available in a couple weeks and shipped to my guy at Richmond Superbike, supposedly. He's pretty tight with a VP at Dynojet and therefore convinced him to help field test the new unit which will monitor the crank sensor (as opposed to, uh, something else I can't remember). Anyway, this module is supposed to fix a problem with RPM monitoring spiking that happened with the previous module. Assuming it works, the new module should be available to the general public in early next year. And, yes, from what I understand, it will be a better option. Maybe. We'll see!
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Oct 2010 - 20:25 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: HooRad) | | | About the meaning of the word, "Import." From a tuner who knows them all. Power-Tripp,
the other Wayne. He starts off with a joke...just keep reading the thread.
Link
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Oct 2010 - 21:37 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: DizzE) | | | I didn't read it carefully so i may be off, but from what i read it seems importing PCIII data is not a good idea. Maybe for him it's ok since it appears he knows how to make corrections, but am i wrong or does it look like we won't be borrowing any results from hoorad's tuning session?
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Oct 2010 - 22:36 Post title : Re: Best tuning option? PC vs. Tuneboy vs. TuneECU (Re: daz) | | | That and the point about comparing the imported result to what you see on your bike was interesting.
I did get the impression the import fidelity would be too low to load on my bike, however.
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