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| | | HooRad | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 19/01/2010 | | Posts | : | 280 | | Location | : | Richmond, VA, United States |
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| | Posted : 27 Oct 2010 - 21:04 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: daz) | | | Thanks, daz! I was wondering about that, honestly. Only thing is that this guy is installing the PC unit for free and charging $300 or so for the dyno tune. If I didn't do the dyno tune, then I assume he'd charge me for the install. So I might as well get the dyno tune! And one thing I won't be doing is putting the PC on my bike, myself. I've no interest in that at all.
What will be interesting is maybe comparing the map from the dyno session (post airbox mod, of course) to a map achieved from autotune. Then we could see how close it is and, maybe with DizzE's help, figure out HP and torque numbers using iPhone apps. I should actually have a pretty accurate measure of HP on this dyno. (supposedly!) And with that, I maybe can calibrate the (Torque?) app with the right variables to get useful dyno curves using different PC maps. It's all very exciting! 
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 27 Oct 2010 - 21:46 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: HooRad) | | | well, it's your call. but in your shoes i believe what i would do is ask him what he would charge you in total for the PC with autotune and no dyno verses the PC and dyno. Because from what mickey said it seems like you are going to get as good a tune with autotune as by having it dynod. The benefit there is no thrashing you bike on the dyno, and autotune can be set to retune your bike any time you want. So as it changes over time, as you do mods, anything that changes it you can adjust for that w/o a dyno. If it's really that good then i would think it's a much better solution. Even if the cost for the install and the auto tune is more overall, you have a system that will keep your bike in good tune no matter what you do in the future w/o having to have your bike thrashed on a dyno and paying $300 each time. Not to mention many say it ruins rear tires dynoing a bike.
anyways, just food for though so you are better armed to make the right decision whatever that may be.
EDIT: oh, and if you get it dyno'd then get auto tune, it will overwrite the dyno you did, so a waste of money unless you aren't getting autotune.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Oct 2010 - 02:42 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: DizzE) | | | Dizze....what kind of air filter is that you have? I see the foam is removable from the cage which is fantastic for cleaning ! I assume it fully seals, tho i'm not sure how. Is the top edge a bit longer that where the plastic 4 screw cover sits so that it pushes it down creating a good seal?
I love my UNI filter, but it would be a heck of a lot easier to clean if the foam was removable.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | FTL40 | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 13/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 1,122 | | Location | : | massachusetts, United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Oct 2010 - 13:26 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: daz) | | | the autotune will get you close but by no means is better then a dyno tune by a guy who really knows what hes doing.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Oct 2010 - 14:04 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: FTL40) | | | I think that was his point......it's very close and that when you consider the simplicity of not having to dyno and thrash the bike to get the last drop of performance and the fact that you can tune it any time you want just by riding it, theres no real advantage to TB or the like except for a tad better bit of performance that he seems to feel is negligible in most cases. I agree with him assuming it CAN get somewhat close even. I even posted about autotune a ways back and was thinking that was the way i wanted to go myself. But i wasn't sure whether it was all it was supposed to be, then when the PC was said to be a ways off i gave up on it. At this point i'm not sure i will be tuning it at all unless the BB turns out to be less than i hoped for. Especially after he told me the triumph maps are very close as is, which to some degree my experience with the dobeck unit seems to corroborate. otherwise i will leave it as is and if one day someone happens to come up with a great tuneECU map for my setup thats truly beneficial to a worthwhile degree, then I may give it a go.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | teebird | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 25/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 293 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Oct 2010 - 15:49 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: daz) | | | DAZ: Just this week i did a dawn-thirty ride up Mt. Lemmon here in southern arizona. cold. real cold like 45 degrees and I had a jacket but it was still cold with the perforated gloves we wear here in arizona. the good news is no cars that time of day, and few bicycles. no peds at all. roared up and back 70 miles of twisties. took it fairly slow: less than 3 times the curve speeds posted. its a roar of a road, but no reason to ride slide off.
I note this cause at NO TIME was i even thinking i wish i had more HP, more Ft-pounds, or more roar. those shorties, air funnel removed from below seat, and top-octane gas is the bees knees.
I may seek out a dyno tune just to get a measurement of performance, but it is the perfect combination of power and sanity. any more would be rocket-III insane.
Teebird.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Oct 2010 - 16:16 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: teebird) | | | yes, but you know the old saying...to each his own. I envy you for being 100% happy with the 1600. It's far easier on the wallet. I'm close to being there, but not quite. So i think the BB kit will get me there. It's not that i'm trying to get R3 power, but i must admit i DO enjoy that having demo'd one. Theres really something about having the kind of power that is as many call it, "intoxicating". I like the feel of getting the degree of acceleration i'm needing (or wanting) at any given moment w/o having to twist the throttle much. Then having scary power when i do. I can't deny that i find that very enjoyable. But i'm not specifically looking for that R3 degree of insanity. I just want a little more power overall and for it to be more linear, IE: less flat spots. If it gives me just a taste of that R3 thrill i will be done.
It's all about the degree of power YOU want. Some are happy with the speedmaster, some can't even be satisfied with the R3 and add turbos and end up with well over 200 HP. It's as individual as the taste for bike cosmetics.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | teebird | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 25/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 293 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Oct 2010 - 23:27 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: daz) | | | DAZ:
I thought you realized I HAVE THE 1700!! along with the shorties, the air box seat bottom removed, the UNO air filter, and the best gas I can buy. Put all that on a blue white striper with chrome rims and chrome legs, and that wonderful blue stripe fly screen up front, and it is the BEES KNEES!!!
like you, i find the 1600 a bit less than scary. a bit more than sluggish for sure, but that extra quarter turn at 4000 rpm in third gear with the 1700 DEFINES IT ALL!!!
be good and remember there are those out to hit you..
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Oct 2010 - 00:59 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: teebird) | | | Sorry, i have trouble keeping track of who has what except for those who have made it apparent often enough.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Oct 2010 - 22:12 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
Sorry, i have trouble keeping track of who has what except for those who have made it apparent often enough. |
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Big number of post. Cool.
daz, I don't remember where you asked me about my air filter. So, since this thread is about air, I'll answer here.
It's the Triumph washable. I got it from one of our members when I bought the dress bars. It is cool that
you can take it out of the basket. And yes, I think you asked about the foam? It does just stick out
a bit to form the seal.
I've never had anything like this. How often are you supposed to wash them? And them, how much (something?)
do you put back on? Mine was already charged with the grease or oil or what ever it is.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Oct 2010 - 23:18 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: DizzE) | | |
DizzE wrote:
How often are you supposed to wash them? And them, how much (something?)
do you put back on? Mine was already charged with the grease or oil or what ever it is. |
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It's debatable, but i wash mine about every 3 or 4 months. I figure it this way....it may not yet need it, but if you clean it often enough u never have to wonder if your performance has degraded, because you can't tell when it happens gradually.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Oct 2010 - 02:01 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: daz) | | | Well, I guess it's time to wash it. What do I use to re-oil it? The stuff that on it is green.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Oct 2010 - 02:08 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: DizzE) | | | DizzE wrote:
Well, I guess it's time to wash it. What do I use to re-oil it? The stuff that on it is green.
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I use the oil that comes with the uni filter, but i think any filter oil will do. However, i hardly use any. Just enough to cover the entire surface with as little as i can apply given the aresol's stream.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Oct 2010 - 15:16 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: daz) | | | OK, got it. That's what I need to know. Don't dunk, light spray.
Thanks Man!
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| | | zolti | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 31 Oct 2010 - 17:33 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: DizzE) | | | this might be a help dizze
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Oct 2010 - 18:34 Post title : Re: best way to cram air without an airbox? (Re: zolti) | | | Pictures always help. 
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