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| | | daz | | Zeus |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,705 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Sep 2010 - 19:03 Post title : Oil filters | | | Seems a lot of people including myself use auto filters for bikes. Many use the bosch 3300 like i do for about $6 vs $15 for the triumph. But i am thinking about using the triumph one for now on, or at least a K&N which is made for bikes. The reason is that i read something recently that worries me. Maybe someone here know just how true this is and can comment, but it sure sounds correct. I read that because cars and bikes have different oil pressures, the bypass valve on a car filter can open when it shouldn't when used on a bike and allow unfiltered oil to circulate for long periods. This sounds like a very serious consideration ! any thoughts?
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| | | EnGage | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Sep 2010 - 19:13 Post title : Re: Oil filters (Re: daz) | | | no comment other than I used a Bosch 3300 at my 9,000 oil change because I can get it locally so I am interested in the replies.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Sep 2010 - 20:11 Post title : Re: Oil filters (Re: EnGage) | | | First off,Triumph does NOT make their own oil filters or oil for that matter.Nor does Honda or Yamaha or Harley,or any of em,because they are all in the business of manufacturing motorcycles,not oil filters.They put their oil filter specifications out for bid and lowest bidder gets the contract,just like our wonderfull 3000 mile Metsler high mileage tires.lol And the company that Triumph contracts their oil filters out to, manufactures em to those specifications.So as long as the filter number you buy crosses over to the Triumph number,whatever filter you buy will work.And the difference between the filters is the price,Truimph's naturally being three times higher.lol Just remember,Triumph does not make their own filters. Dave!!!
| | Post edited by davetac1 on 26 Sep 2010 - 20:19 |
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| | | EnGage | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Sep 2010 - 20:21 Post title : Re: Oil filters (Re: davetac1) | | | Dave - I understand that Triumph doesn't make their filters (or their coolant or...), but I interpreted Daz's question as this:
The Bosch 3300 crosses over to the Bird, but is designed for cars. Given potential differences in car and motorcycle oil pressure, is this a concern?
| | Post edited by EnGage on 26 Sep 2010 - 20:23 |
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Sep 2010 - 22:14 Post title : Re: Oil filters (Re: EnGage) | | | If the Boosh also crosses over to a car,depending on what make,model,etc,it's quite possible that the car uses the same oil pressure parameters as the Triumph 1600 motor does or visa versa.I know the 1600 motor uses 3-3.60 bars of pressure or 43-52 PSI.[One bar equals 14.5038 PSI] Other motorcycles use considerably less oil pressure.So again,as long as the number crosses,you should be ok.
I'll give you a little example.About 20 years ago,I had an 83 Venture 1200 and was buying my oil filters from JCWhitney for 99 cents a piece.The Venture uses a cartridge.When I confronted the dealer,who was charging seven bucks a piece for the Yamaha filter,he stated that Yamaha's oil filters are much better because they're designed for that motor just like what you guys are saying.
Anyways,I just happen to have one of my el cheapo's with me.So we compared Yamaha's filter with my el cheapo JCWhiney filter.His filter came in a pretty box with Genuine Yamaha written all over it.My filter came in a plain white box with Malasia or somethin like that written only in one place.When we opened em up to compare filters,they were both exactly the same.And on the bottom of my el cheapo JCWhitney filter were the letters E M G O.Well guess what letters were on the bottom of his Genuine Yamaha filter??You guessed it! The same E M G O.To make a long story short,a company called Emgo had the contract to manufacture oil filters for Yamaha.They were indeed,the same filter.I rest my case.lol Dave!!
| | Post edited by davetac1 on 27 Sep 2010 - 04:39 |
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,705 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Sep 2010 - 23:02 Post title : Re: Oil filters (Re: davetac1) | | | As engage said, the point is that whoever makes the triumph filter makes it to thier spec, and the bosch is made for cars which generally have a different spec to open the valve. I do realize a lot of the parts in a triumph or any vehicle are not made by them. My speedmaster filter also *crosses* to the bosch 3300, and i wouldn't imagine that too has the same oil pressure as a car. I believe that all the cross reference tells you is that it will fit, IE: thread size, seal diameter, etc. In fact, i'm not even sure the bosch crosses to the triumph filter....it's quite possible it was just a owner that looked on his own to find a filter that would physically fit. When i say "crosses" i mean not necassarily that the manufacturer says that, but that they physically will work.
in any case, i don't think speculation is a solid enough thing to base your decision to use a certain filter on if it could lead to excess engine wear. Not for me at least. I will start using triumph or K&N till i know the truth.
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| | | Truss | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 17/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 146 | | Location | : | Canada |
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| | Posted : 27 Sep 2010 - 00:49 Post title : Re: Oil filters (Re: daz) | | | A friend of mine just gave me an unused oil filter from his 2003-2005 Bonneville. Is this the same filter used for the Thunderbird?
The number on the filter is 3A 14. On the box the part number is T1210200. I have tried to get a part number on-line but cannot find it.
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| | | Eddie | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 422 | | Location | : | Melbourne Victoria, Australia |
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| | Posted : 27 Sep 2010 - 02:51 Post title : Re: Oil filters (Re: daz) | | | I will only use Genuine oil filters and let me tell you why.
I used to be a Service Manager for a Subaru Dealership in Melbourne Australia. At around that time, The Police Dept. were using Subaru WRX's as unmarked police cars.
Now, even thou Subaru stated the first oil change was at 12,500km's. They insisted on changing the oil at 1,000km's and used an aftermarket oil filter, all is good, until one day when the police car began a pursuit.
Now I admit, all the planets must have been lined up, but, this cop started the car, had his foot to the floor, selected first gear and was off all in one go. The engine had reached around 6,000rpm BEFORE building up oil pressure. The non-genuine filter did NOT have a by-pass valve to eliminate such a problem.
It was decided by Subaru that this was a one in a million shot. The police also used the wrong grade oil, which is why it took a little longer to get through the filter.
It only happened once and will probably never happen again, but for the sake of saving around $10-00 ?
I change my oil and filter every 5,000km's and will gladly pay for the genuine article.
Just as a matter of interest, I use Mobil1 Racing 4T Fully Synthetic 15W-50.
I do the same with my car, Genuine oil filter and CASTROL EDGE SPORT 10W-60 Fully Synthetic.
As I said; the planets must have all lined up, must have walked under a ladder, had a black cat cross his path and smashed a mirror, This is only my opinion and reaction to one incident as I'm sure you all have your own opinion on what happened.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 27 Sep 2010 - 03:08 Post title : Re: Oil filters (Re: Eddie) | | | The correct number for the Triumph 1600 motor is T1210444 which I just got off the box.That's the number the dealer gave me and the filter I've been using from the beginning,but only for warantee purposes.I have one left in stock which is where I just got the number from.So mark it down for reference. But guess what?? Even a factory filter bought from the dealer at a premium price can be bad.It happens,just like other parts that you might buy for whatever vehicle you own.Remember,these oil filters are put out for bid and manufactured by the lowest bidder.And if I've run into it once,I've run into the problem of bad parts dozens of times over the last 50 plus years in this business.But I can truthfully say that I've only run into a couple of bad oil filters over the years which is a pretty good track record considering.But like anything else,it's the luck of the draw no matter who makes em. Dave!!!
| | Post edited by davetac1 on 27 Sep 2010 - 03:40 |
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| | | Flash | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 07/02/2010 | | Posts | : | 165 | | Location | : | South Coast, MA, United States |
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| | Posted : 27 Sep 2010 - 03:11 Post title : Re: Oil filters (Re: Truss) | | |
Truss wrote:
A friend of mine just gave me an unused oil filter from his 2003-2005 Bonneville. Is this the same filter used for the Thunderbird?
The number on the filter is 3A 14. On the box the part number is T1210200. I have tried to get a part number on-line but cannot find it. |
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They should take the same filters. My '06 Bonnie uses the same filter as my 'Bird. (That is a Puralator Pure One #14612.)
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