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| | | Axelrosebud | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 26/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 145 | | Location | : | Antony, France |
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| | Posted : 09 Sep 2010 - 15:14 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: Thatch) | | |
Thatch wrote:
Oh god, not the car tire discussion....
How to destroy the handling of the bike for the sake of a few bucks... I honestly can't understand why anyone would ever do that, especially with a bike that can actually handle. But then there's lots I don't understand about why folks do certain things with motorcycles... |
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That's very much my case as well... The not "understanding why folks do certain things with motorcycles" part...
rotog wrote:
Thatch wrote:
Oh god, not the car tire discussion....
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LMFAO!!! beats the oil discussion ;) |
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I personally don't consider any kind of on, or off topic "discussion" to be "useless"... It's only an exchage of points of view... & we all need that stuff...
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| | | Kando | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2009 | | Posts | : | 780 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 09 Sep 2010 - 17:20 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: rotog) | | | come on guys the thread was legit....was legit...now tomfoolery!!!!
how many times can we do the short vs long exhaust threads????
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Sep 2010 - 04:47 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: Kando) | | | So just how many miles did you get out of that Michlin Pilot ?? Dave!!!
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Sep 2010 - 03:12 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: Axelrosebud) | | | Axelrosebud wrote:
Like I've already said on another thread about Avon tyres on this here discussion board... I changed from the OEM Bridgestone BT 20s, to Michelin Pilot Road... & the result was way out of my most optimistic hopes... But what's more... Since then, I've stopped riding my bike... & today there is also MPR 2! Which is a bi-rubber kind of tyre... Thus it can only be better still then the MPR 1s which I've experienced in the past!!! |
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So,if ya don't mind me askin, just how many miles did you get out of your Michelin Pilot Road 200/55R/17 rear tire???
Thank you. Dave!!!
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| | | Axelrosebud | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 26/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 145 | | Location | : | Antony, France |
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| | Posted : 12 Sep 2010 - 04:30 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: davetac1) | | |
davetac1 wrote:(...)So,if ya don't mind me askin, just how many miles did you get out of your Michelin Pilot Road 200/55R/17 rear tire???
Thank you. Dave!!! |
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I still don't have a BB T-bird - my future "dream-bike"... But on this here :  I've made over 18 kkms on 180/50/17 MPRs... While on the BT20s I made only ~6 kkms... Other guys on here have said however that there's no 200s in the MPR size range...
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,705 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Sep 2010 - 04:46 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: davetac1) | | |
davetac1 wrote:
So,if ya don't mind me askin, just how many miles did you get out of your Michelin Pilot Road 200/55R/17 rear tire???
Thank you. Dave!!! |
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They don't make them in 200 sizes. At least i never found them. Think i looked on the michelin site.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Sep 2010 - 02:18 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: daz) | | | I saw a 190/50R/17 listed on the Michelin site.How much smaller would that be from the 200/50R/17?? Thanks! Dave!!!
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,705 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 23 Sep 2010 - 19:07 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? | | | damn....i got a nail in my rear tire about a couple weeks after it was brand new and plugged it. Now at 4k it's started leaking 5-10 Lbs a day, so i'm out there pumping a bicycle pump every day for a good 3-4 minutes straight to get it back to 40 lbs. The fix a flat stuff says not for bikes, and it also throws balance off horribly (as it did recently on my car) so i don't wanna do that. Tho it does plug slow leaks perfectly on cars, or at least it has for me. I now have 4k on them and probably 2k at least to go on the rear, but i can't go thru this pumping crap any longer (been doing it a couple weeks now) and my front is still quite good and i don't want to throw it away. So i.....BOUGHT ANOTHER METZ.....ARRRRRRG!!! I so wanted to get away from them, but i can't mix brands and i didn't want to toss the front. So this was the only option really.
oh well....i like the metz handling and who knows, i might find the cobras or perellis will let me down when riding as briskly as i do with the metz. Has anyone considered that by the way? I must admit to often riding sorta foolishy when in the twisties. Or at least what would be considered foolish on a normal cruiser. And i came to the way i ride now over a period of time while getting used to the bike. So you might say i learned what the metzelers are capable of slowly. So it makes me wonder.....if i try something else and proceed to ride the same way and they aren't up to it, what are my chances of eating asphault? Maybe it would be safer staying with the metzeler even with the high cost of such a low mileage tire. The fact is, softer compounds are used on bikes to insure the best grip. So if cobras or those perellis get better mileage, does it not stand to reason it's because they have a harder compound and would therefore possibly slip when pushed as hard as a softer tire? thoughts? (of course i am assuming the cobras or perellis are not dual compound because i never saw it said they were)
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Sep 2010 - 15:41 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: daz) | | | daz wrote:
I must admit to often riding sorta foolishy when in the twisties. Or at least what would be considered foolish on a normal cruiser. And i came to the way i ride now over a period of time while getting used to the bike. So you might say i learned what the metzelers are capable of slowly. |
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I scrapped the outside peg the other day...go figure. I say stick with Metz. (darn puns) A sticky tire is supposed to be more
agressive but doesn't last....since we sitll choose not to ride the Goldwing, yet, and YWFCM.
And, as I've seen, you are the only true test of the plugging motorcycle tire idea. Fun Costs Money.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,705 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Sep 2010 - 16:26 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: DizzE) | | | Normally i wouldn't have plugged it, but i got the nail when the damn tire was new so i wasn't about to toss $240. (tire plus shipping and mounting) I just figured as long as i don't do the ton it and since the nail was a very small hole it would be ok. But i gotta say i can't stop from doing that on the bird ! It just begs to go ton up at times, and cruises like a dream above 90 with the shorties. But had it happened at 4k, maybe even 3, i might have trashed it. As to sticking with metzelers, (pun intended:)) i think i will for now at least. Once some other tires have been well tested by others and avon has released the set for us they are talking about, then i will review whats going and maybe then try something else. But i am so in sync with the bike with the bike handling wise right now, i'd hate to find out the hard way that part of that was the metzelers. I gotta keep telling myself, safety first, money second.
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Sep 2010 - 19:03 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
..., safety first, money second. |
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Sep 2010 - 20:42 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: DizzE) | | | I've been plugging motorcycle tires ever since they came out with tubeless tires.I carry a plug kit which uses the 1/4 X 2 inch long square plugs with that real sticky stuff on it that actually bonds to the tire on all three sides,in,out,and inside the carcus itself, and NEVER had a problem.I also have a small progressive air pump to air the tire with.Now, if the hole is in the side wall,or requires more then one plug to seal the hole,then naturally,the tire needs to be replaced asap.But in the meantime,if ya drive it reasonably,you can at least get home or to a shop for tire replacement,which sure beats being stuck on the side of the road.But if it's a small hole anyplace in the tread contact area,you should be ok.But,each to their own. Dave!!!
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,705 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Sep 2010 - 23:32 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: davetac1) | | |
davetac1 wrote:
I've been plugging motorcycle tires ever since they came out with tubeless tires.I carry a plug kit which uses the 1/4 X 2 inch long square plugs with that real sticky stuff on it that actually bonds to the tire on all three sides,in,out,and inside the carcus itself, and NEVER had a problem.I also have a small progressive air pump to air the tire with.Now, if the hole is in the side wall,or requires more then one plug to seal the hole,then naturally,the tire needs to be replaced asap.But in the meantime,if ya drive it reasonably,you can at least get home or to a shop for tire replacement,which sure beats being stuck on the side of the road.But if it's a small hole anyplace in the tread contact area,you should be ok.But,each to their own. Dave!!! |
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yeah, thats the same plug kit i use. The plugs are like gummy worms...super gooey. But it worked fine for a couple months then began losing 5-10 lbs a day. 2 of my car tires are also done with that stuff. One leaked like my Tbird's tire does and also started after a few months, the other has held so far. Not sure why. A tire place plugged the car tires and I did the bike.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Sep 2010 - 04:02 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: daz) | | | daz.Are you sure ya didn't have another leak someplace in the tire???Are you using the die electric grease provided with the plug kit??As I said,once I plug em,I forget about em unless I pick up another nail or somethin on the road which I then have to plug that hole too.lol But that's only happened to me once in the last 32 years.Dave!!!
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| | | EnGage | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Sep 2010 - 14:29 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
davetac1 wrote:
I've been plugging motorcycle tires ever since they came out with tubeless tires.I carry a plug kit which uses the 1/4 X 2 inch long square plugs with that real sticky stuff on it that actually bonds to the tire on all three sides,in,out,and inside the carcus itself, and NEVER had a problem.I also have a small progressive air pump to air the tire with.Now, if the hole is in the side wall,or requires more then one plug to seal the hole,then naturally,the tire needs to be replaced asap.But in the meantime,if ya drive it reasonably,you can at least get home or to a shop for tire replacement,which sure beats being stuck on the side of the road.But if it's a small hole anyplace in the tread contact area,you should be ok.But,each to their own. Dave!!! |
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yeah, thats the same plug kit i use. The plugs are like gummy worms...super gooey. But it worked fine for a couple months then began losing 5-10 lbs a day. 2 of my car tires are also done with that stuff. One leaked like my Tbird's tire does and also started after a few months, the other has held so far. Not sure why. A tire place plugged the car tires and I did the bike. |
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Never plugged a motorcycle tire, but I've plugged dozens of car tires and have never had one leak. Based on that experience I would be willing to plug a motorcycle tire as well, but would watch it closely for awhile
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,705 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Sep 2010 - 14:30 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: davetac1) | | | Could be another leak i suppose, but it doesn't matter now since I have a tire coming. But i think it's the plug leaking. (yes, i used the glue) I think because the tires on a bike, especially metz, become so thin so quickly (my tread went to 75 % used in 3 months) that 1/2 or more of the damn plug gets erased by that point, so the filled hole is much shorter allowing air to more easily push it's way thru. It worked fine till the tire got close to done.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Sep 2010 - 21:46 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
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I wasn't talking about the glue.The glue or sticky stuff is already on that square plug when ya take it off the little paper holder which has a bunch of plugs on it.The die electric grease is what ya put on the pointed medal piece [reamer if you will] before ya push it thru the hole.The grease makes it easier for the plug to slide all the way thru the hole.Then ya place the square plug in the insertion tool,which now doubles the plug over, push the tool with the plug in it thru the hole,slide the round flat washer piece against the tire to hold the plug in place while you withdraw the insertion tool and then cut off the plug's excess. Apparently,the kit you're using is different from mine. Dave!!!
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| | Posted : 25 Sep 2010 - 22:25 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: davetac1) | | |
davetac1 wrote:
daz wrote:
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...The die electric grease is what ya put on the pointed medal piece [reamer if you will] before ya push it thru the hole.The grease makes it easier for the plug to slide all the way thru the hole.Then ya place the square plug in the insertion tool,which now doubles the plug over, push the tool with the plug in it thru the hole,slide the round flat washer piece against the tire to hold the plug in place while you withdraw the insertion tool and then cut off the plug's excess... |
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But... if you put grease on the plug, how will it glue/stick itself to the tire... with or without the extra glue?
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Sep 2010 - 02:39 Post title : Re: Avon tires....double the mileage? (Re: ataDude) | | | It's not just grease,it's die electric grease which is used on all electrical connections,at least it's supposed to be.When you push the insertion tool with the plug on it thru the hole,it slides in easier while pushing the grease inside the tire at the same time.And it won't hurt a thing. The grease is only for the initial insertion so the plug won't stick to the tire's carcus on the way in.When withdrawing the tool,the plug then sticks to the carcus.Ya don't want it to adhere on the way in,you want it to adhere on the way out.Dave!!!
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