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| | | peteronkarra | | Chaac |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 830 | | Location | : | Karragarra Island, Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 27 Aug 2016 - 21:47 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: daz) | | | Daz , all good.
Sorry, I didn't realise you had managed to score the parts.
Good luck with the repairs 
Pete
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2016 - 01:59 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: Slcharger) | | |
Slcharger wrote:
davetac1 wrote:
 I've been using DOT III right along and haven't had any braking problems,what so ever.I've even flushed the system and replaced the old fluid with DOT III. Infact,that's all I have on my shelf and use it in everything I own,plus a few vehicles that I don't own,and again,no problems. The only difference I see between DOT III and DOT IV ,besides bein synthetic,is the price.But ya know what they say: A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE SOON PARTED!! So since I'm POOR,and not RICH like you guys,I'll just stay with my inferior DOT III,just like I use that inferior dino oil. "Stupid" and "POOR" Dave!!!  |
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Dave.
Since when is DOT 4 only synthetic ?
And yes, besides the price, there is a difference in boiling point.
DOT 3 = 401F ( 205C )
DOT 4 = 446F ( 230C )
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OK!! Ya got me there.I stand corrected! Remember,I said I'm NOT the brightest star in the sky and just proved it.But that's only one thing ya got me on. No one is perfect except me,a perfect asshole!!
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| | | Tal | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 30/01/2015 | | Posts | : | 1,074 | | Location | : | Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2016 - 06:27 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: davetac1) | | | Well Dave, you might not know everything...just as well too cos no-one likes a know all do they? But, I for one do appreciate your input on all topics..most of the time you make a heap of sense despite the ribbing you get, so keep it up brutha! and keep the wheels turning! After all, it is a "Forum" where we all seek or give advise...its up to the individual whether he/she takes it onboard and learns from it.
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,665 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2016 - 08:13 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: davetac1) | | |
OK!! Ya got me there.I stand corrected! Remember,I said I'm NOT the brightest star in the sky and just proved it.But that's only one thing ya got me on. No one is perfect except me,a perfect asshole!! |
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Dave, you are starting to annoy me.
As soon as you feel that you are a bit wrong, you start excuse yourself, and calling yourself a "Dump Pollock " and a lot of other unplesant things. 
You clearly have a great knowledge about a lot of things. You have a lifetime experience in the automotive field, you are intelligent, well spoken, and know how to convert this knowledge. Nobody is perfect, not me, not you, and sometimes we are a bit fast on the trigger. Shit happens, and that's how it is.
We like you the way you are, your inputs, your contribution, and you are a great guy having fun with.
We are here in this forum to have fun, helping each other, and share all around our beloved bird. You are a great asset to this forum, so keep up the good work, and please forget the " Dump Pollock "
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,665 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2016 - 08:16 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: Slcharger) | | | Solved.
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| | Post edited by Slcharger on 28 Aug 2016 - 13:52 |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2016 - 08:21 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: daz) | | |
| daz wrote: ... if that happened it would seem the disc would have canted closer to the bracket up high, not lower where it made contact ... |
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I'm not totally sure on that Daz ... I think I'd have expected to see that exact state of damage on the hanger if the wheel tipped in as a result of the bearing collapse given that the disc will have shifted relative to the wheel and the caliper hanger is essentially locked in the vertical plane of the swinging arm.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2016 - 13:48 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: Swagger) | | |
Ok, well lets think about this. Lets use the example of the wheel where the bearing just disappears to exaggerate the effect. Think about it....if the right side stays at the same height but the bearing on the left is gone, the wheel would drop on the left causing the top side of the wheel to slant to the left thereby moving the disc closer to the caliper. The bottom would therefore slant inward and away from it. Maybe i'm missing something but i can't see what.
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| daz wrote: ... if that happened it would seem the disc would have canted closer to the bracket up high, not lower where it made contact ... |
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I'm not totally sure on that Daz ... I think I'd have expected to see that exact state of damage on the hanger if the wheel tipped in as a result of the bearing collapse given that the disc will have shifted relative to the wheel and the caliper hanger is essentially locked in the vertical plane of the swinging arm.
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,665 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2016 - 13:57 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: daz) | | | Daz.
Its quite the oposite.
The rear swinger is stiff, so only the wheel can move. The bike will sag down, meaning the turning point will be the right bearing, as you rightly state.
This leads to the wheel tipping to the right, the spindle will be at the bottom of the hole on the left side, and you got exactly the damage you see.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2016 - 14:37 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: Slcharger) | | | Istill can't see that because the bike will want to go down and the bearing is holding the wheel in place. You may be right, but because i can't envison it i made a drawing to show how i'm seeing it. If the bearing were gone, again for exaggerated example, the axl will not move so what does the wheel do? The way i see it is in this drawing i made. Again. I can't see it the way you do but i could be wrong. I just couldn't wrap my head around it but this drawing seems to solidify what i was saying.
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| | | Slcharger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/02/2016 | | Posts | : | 1,665 | | Location | : | Denmark |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2016 - 15:11 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: daz) | | | In fact we are both right.
In both cases, it depends on how the lean over starts.
Regardless if its left or right, the spindle will drop from the centerline, where the wheel was straight up, and therefore create a steady torque in the wheel, sidewards.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2016 - 15:15 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: Slcharger) | | | I don't think we can both be right, it's going to go one way or the other. But maybe under load....who knows. Regardless, we still don't know for sure that was the cause anyways, tho i have a hard time visualizing anything else.
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| | | peteronkarra | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 830 | | Location | : | Karragarra Island, Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2016 - 21:01 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
Istill can't see that because the bike will want to go down and the bearing is holding the wheel in place. You may be right, but because i can't envison it i made a drawing to show how i'm seeing it. If the bearing were gone, again for exaggerated example, the axl will not move so what does the wheel do? The way i see it is in this drawing i made. Again. I can't see it the way you do but i could be wrong. I just couldn't wrap my head around it but this drawing seems to solidify what i was saying.
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Daz assuming we are looking at the bike from the rear your diagram is correct if the back wheel has been lifted from the ground.
However if the weight is on the wheel it will look like this.
the top one is normal with the forces (arrows) balanced.
the bottom one is what will happen if the left bearing collapses
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 28 Aug 2016 - 21:37 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: peteronkarra) | | | Ok, i can see it now. Just couldn't wrap my head around it till you mentioned the forces and i gave some thought to that and it became apparent. So then thats likely what did it, although the bearing didn't look to be collapsed. I suppose maybe under load it might be. It will be interesting to see it once it's out.
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| | | Bender | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 26/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 682 | | Location | : | Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 06 Sep 2016 - 10:14 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: Slcharger) | | |
Slcharger wrote:
OK!! Ya got me there.I stand corrected! Remember,I said I'm NOT the brightest star in the sky and just proved it.But that's only one thing ya got me on. No one is perfect except me,a perfect asshole!! |
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Dave, you are starting to annoy me.
As soon as you feel that you are a bit wrong, you start excuse yourself, and calling yourself a "Dump Pollock " and a lot of other unplesant things.
You clearly have a great knowledge about a lot of things. You have a lifetime experience in the automotive field, you are intelligent, well spoken, and know how to convert this knowledge. Nobody is perfect, not me, not you, and sometimes we are a bit fast on the trigger. Shit happens, and that's how it is.
We like you the way you are, your inputs, your contribution, and you are a great guy having fun with.
We are here in this forum to have fun, helping each other, and share all around our beloved bird. You are a great asset to this forum, so keep up the good work, and please forget the " Dump Pollock "
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YES DAVE ! What He said
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| | | aussietbird | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 11/09/2012 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | WODONGA, VIC, Australia |
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| | Posted : 06 Sep 2016 - 12:08 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: Bender) | | | Hi Daz.
Just a quick question, as I had the exact same problem at 65,000ks. Including the damage the the caliper mount.
I put it down to Dealership, and the insistence of hot, high pressure washing.
I was too busy (work) to be bothered servicing it myself, plus the warranty bullshit crappolla, thing.
Having had both front left near fail, and the rear left total failure (collapsed), I figured the hot high pressure water was getting past the seal, and once the bike was back on the side stand, the water/soapy/detergent stuff, settled on the left hand bearing.
Your thoughts. 
Did you do, the dealership service routine?
Did they insist on the hot wash, customer service crap? 
I originally thought the rear failure could have been down to me towing a trailer for nearly half of that 65,000k's, but when I checked the front,(and it was Ted too) and the difference in rear tyre wear with the trailer has been negligible. And I've always been anal, about keeping tabs on the positive towball weight, between 5 - 10kg never less never more. That 10kg is less than the difference between the little woman and number one son sitting on the back.
My experience, was when the bearing collapsed, was the rear wheel floated, tracked left and right, as the balls of the bearing where still in tact, however the steel ball retainer/spacer thingy as gone, chewed up, allowing the left hand side to float. up, down, left and right.
It was a most interesting 7 k ride to the shop, 150k's from home.
The other factor could have been the bike laid up for months on end, when I was working interstate, for a while.
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| | | wildkarp | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 26/06/2016 | | Posts | : | 19 | | Location | : | Guyton, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Jun 2021 - 15:41 Post title : Re: who knows the rear wheel inner workings? Bearings, inner spacer etc (Re: daz) | | | Good day!
I was wondering if you ever figured out what the actual problem was on this? I am having the same issue at the moment with my Storm (2011) and for the life of me cannot figure it out. I have had the bike to my mechanic who was Triumph trained and he is at a loss as well. He has removed the wheel and has inspected everything and can see no failures. He did not remove the bearings as replacements are currently B/O'd. I know this was a long time ago, but any light you can shine would be greatly appreciated.
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