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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Dec 2015 - 02:17 Post title : coolant temp gauge | | |
bought a Koso water temp meter and sensor for the bird. the hose coupler that houses the sensor is to wide to fit in between the top pipe and the radiator fitting.[splice needed].unless I can steal the signal from the stock sensor, I will have to have a threaded nut brazed onto the top hose/metal pipe to fit the sensor. has any done this mod? and do you think I can grab the signal from the bikes coolant temp sensor? To avoid all this extra work?
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,850 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Dec 2015 - 03:02 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: rayglo) | | | A temp readout would be really nice to have. Don't think anyone has done that yet, far as I know. A few guys have put a temp gauge on the oil galley.
For your setup, I'd be tempted to use the bleeder plug under the seat.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Dec 2015 - 03:58 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: rayglo) | | | If ya have enough room,screw a T in where the temp sensor is located.Then replace the sensor in one end of the T,then the temp gauge sender in the other end of the T.But again "IF" there's enough room!! 
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Dec 2015 - 05:06 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: MotorMac) | | |
Yes I did think of that. would have to drill and tap. shit like that sometimes scares me. I will have shavings in the pipe if I don't remove it. and if I do remove it I would rather leave it in the hands of a skilled mechanic
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Dec 2015 - 06:41 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: rayglo) | | | If the temp sensor is screwed into something,then you should be able to "T" off it or find a way to thread into it and go from there, or find another place in the cooling system to tap into.I have not looked at mine,so maybe I'm wrong,but I'm sure there's away to do it without getting into trouble.I've done it in other applications, and the one thing I've learned is the words "IMPOSSIBLE" do NOT exist.There's always a way. Look at it and THINK!!!   I'll look at mine the first chance I get to see what I can come up with and report back.But in the meantime ,if you look closer,I think you'll find a place to tap into the system for your sender.Dave!!!
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Dec 2015 - 15:51 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: davetac1) | | | OK!! I just looked at my SM and then my scooter.The temp sensor is located just inboard of,and towards the under side of the right throttle body.[passengers side] It can be seen pretty clearly looking in from the left side of the machine,which I suspect,is also where it would be serviced from,should it need to be serviced.So,with that said,it looks like there just might be enough room in that area for a T to be installed in the hole where the sensor is now located,then replacing the temp sensor and adding a temp sender,into that T.Take a look and see what you think!!! OK??? Dave!!!
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Dec 2015 - 21:11 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: davetac1) | | |
Dave what is this T thing. like a multi sensor adaptor? where do I buy one coz I never heard of such a thing.
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| | | Swagger | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 15/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,100 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 19 Dec 2015 - 22:06 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: rayglo) | | | I've not looked at this yet in terms of the physicality of it but couldn't you cut something like this into the plumbing?
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 19 Dec 2015 - 23:28 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: Swagger) | | |
Hey Swagger. Your link wouldn't come up. if you thought of a metal coupler to splice between the top metal pipe and radiator fitting you will find that there is not enough coupler room to fit it in. I don't want to saw the pipe and lose the flares. so I am getting a new coolant temp sensor as mine now works intermittently. and now I must experiment. I am going to tap in to the old sensor wires and connect the new wires and meter to it,,, start the bike and see if I get a reading. I could be out in a pub right now shooting billiards seeing whats lookin my way as the beer flows down. I will finish the bike tomorrow
Cheers Mate
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Dec 2015 - 03:27 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: rayglo) | | |
rayglo wrote:
Dave what is this T thing. like a multi sensor adaptor? where do I buy one coz I never heard of such a thing.
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It's a connector pipe shaped like the letter "T" and usually made of brass.Hardware stores or plumbing supply houses should have em.The long end [male end on the bottom of the T] screws into the existing hole in the block where the temp sensor was, and then the temp sensor and the temp sender would screw into the top two holes ,on each end,the top of the T. [ female ends] Follow me??? Of course,ya have to get a T with the correct threads on it so it will thread into the hole in the block where the original sensor was and have the same threads on the female ends so the sensor and sender will screw into either end of the T.
However,if you are NOT mechanically inclined,I would suggest you have some one who is mechanically inclined or more knowledgeable do it,again,"IF" there is enough room in that space. 
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Dec 2015 - 19:06 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: davetac1) | | |
So I think my idea is going to work. I have a faulty coolant temp sensor so I didn't mind using it in my experiment. the ECU thinks the bike is overheating when it is not. I tapped into the sensor wires with sensor lines off my Koso water temp meter. bike off it read 192 F. [this would make sense] started the bike and a few seconds the meter jumped to 258 and began flashing a warning. so I feel it will work. anyone see a down side to all of this?
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| | | GerPa | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/12/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,919 | | Location | : | Mackay, Central Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 20 Dec 2015 - 20:26 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: rayglo) | | | Not being an Auto Electrician I might be right off the mark her.But wit ha life time of being a Mechanic and from about 4 +yrs experience with these bikes I have had only one loose connection/ fault. and I believe that is because I have not fucked with the electrical system. Only my 2 cents worth but if I put anything additional on the bike I run it as a completely separate system so as to not fuck with what the Factory Engineers have set up. Putting a piggy back system on top of an existing system MIGHT be just the "Straw that breaks the camels back" unless you know all the design settings I would not splice inot the existing.
it's winter time over your way now so most probably not much riding going on so take your time use the adaptor and do the job properly.it will save you a lot of pain and heartache somewhere down the track when you are on the side of the road with a Errant Fault Like Blinking at you.
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| | | Swagger | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 15/04/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,100 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 20 Dec 2015 - 20:33 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: rayglo) | | | 
Ray,
This was the thingy I was looking at ... it's just a sensor pocket that is relatively narrow. Sounds like you've cracked it though
Ah! It looks like GerPa beat me to it.
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| | Post edited by Swagger on 20 Dec 2015 - 20:35 |
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Dec 2015 - 21:10 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: GerPa) | | |
I agree I could screw the bike up. I have a 26mm coupler like the one you and Swagger supplied, that I cant use because there is no room between top metal pipe and rad fitting. so apart from brazing a nut for the sender unit in the top metal rad hose I have no choice but to piggy back. I don't know if will do harm but I will take the risk, hopefully I can undo and restore. I source power from a circuit that I installed,+ the heated grip circuit[ I bought oem connectors from cycleterminal]+ added on to my rear sub harness for additional lighting to the back of the bike again with oem conectors. I have added at least 20 leds, volt meter, cig lighter, to the bike, and I don't have any issues yet. I think the temp sender works on resistance, not like a lot of volts running thru there. I don't really know but think its safe, but I don't know, might have to find out the hard way. if not then maybe I will pave the way for those who want to do this mod
happy holidays mate
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Dec 2015 - 21:24 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: Swagger) | | | Yup!! I agree, that's the way to go.Like Gerry said,ya don't wanna tap a circuit that requires a specific voltage to run that circuit cause it won't function properly due to less voltage then is required.Good call Gerry.We'll make a mec-a- nic out of you yet!! 
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 20 Dec 2015 - 21:24 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: Swagger) | | |
Hey Swagger, I do hope this works with no ill effects. after the new oem sensor is installed I will try this mod and report back. aside from lifting the tank it is going to be easy. just cant leave the bike alone, a vortex spiraling into my wallet
happy holidays mate
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Dec 2015 - 02:31 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: rayglo) | | |
rayglo wrote:
Hey Swagger, I do hope this works with no ill effects. after the new oem sensor is installed I will try this mod and report back. aside from lifting the tank it is going to be easy. just cant leave the bike alone, a vortex spiraling into my wallet
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Swagger: Since you have a "SPIRALING VORTEX "in your wallet ,please feel free to share that spiraling vortex with the rest of us POOR PEOPLE on here!! After all,it IS the Christmas season!!!
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Dec 2015 - 10:38 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: davetac1) | |
| | | drhach | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/10/2011 | | Posts | : | 250 | | Location | : | Waukegan, Illinois, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Dec 2015 - 16:04 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: rayglo) | | | What seems funny to me is that the ECU knows the temperature of the engine. It has to in order to turn the radiator fan on and off. Given this fact, it seems like it would be a simple matter of getting that signal sent to a very inexpensive gauge. I know it isn't that simple, but damnit, it should be given that the information is already in there.
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| | | davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Dec 2015 - 18:29 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: drhach) | | | There is a difference between a temp SENDER and a temp SENSOR.The sensor only uses .5 volts and is used for ECM output information in conjunction with other sensors to control motor functions as well as emissions.The sender uses battery voltage, 12 volts,and is only used to control a gauge or idiot light [for idiots like me, ] so as to alert the operator should the engine over heat or NOT reach it's operating temperature.
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Dec 2015 - 22:24 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: drhach) | | |
hey bud
read your post a few times, not sure if I understand. the sensor in the cylinder head took a shit. this gives the ecu the temp and I guess the ecu turns on the fan or the hot temp light. so its my guess that it defaults to over heat mode, just a guess. it all made sense when I hooked up the Koso meter and started the bike. temp was 194 and shot right up to 248. I would like to have 2 sensors on the bike but this is the easy way out.
when this first happened the fan would start within the first 30 seconds. I guess maybe the dealer disabled the fan so I can ride until the parts come in
thanks
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| | | aussietbird | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 11/09/2012 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | WODONGA, VIC, Australia |
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| | Posted : 09 Mar 2016 - 05:02 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: rayglo) | | | Hi Guys, I know this thread is pretty old.
I'm hearing you all, With the issues I have had, here in a hot climate, its been on my mind for some time to be able to monitor the coolant temp.
I'm not keen to clutter up the handle bars or drill holes in the centre console. However as I started pricing bits and pieces, I came across these items.
ELM327 WI-FI ODB2 port senders. For around the $30AUD, with the use of Dash Command, on my IPhone and a $20 handle bar phone holder.
Does far more than just a temp gauge.
Works on my cars, the Beemer I love it to death, and there is no way I'm hacking up the dash, to fit a gauge, problem solved, at a third of the cost of just a half descent electric gauge.
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| | | rayglo | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 27/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 1,746 | | Location | : | east brunswick, nj, United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Mar 2016 - 11:09 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: aussietbird) | | |
hey aussiebird that is a great solution. far easier than mine. not that that I would drill holes in my console either. it would require tapping
and brazing a nut to the metal rad pipe. the gauge is slim and small. I do have a Wi-Fi port sender for my tune ecu app on my phone. but
right now my gear indicator occupies the OBD2 port.
~ray
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| | | Daycruiser | | Chaac | | | Reg. Date | : | 08/11/2011 | | Posts | : | 704 | | Location | : | Garner, NC, United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Mar 2016 - 15:29 Post title : Re: coolant temp gauge (Re: aussietbird) | | |
aussietbird wrote:
ELM327 WI-FI ODB2 port senders. For around the $30AUD, with the use of Dash Command, on my IPhone and a $20 handle bar phone holder.
Does far more than just a temp gauge.
Works on my cars, the Beemer I love it to death, and there is no way I'm hacking up the dash, to fit a gauge, problem solved, at a third of the cost of just a half descent electric gauge.
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I've been running this solution on my TBird for about 4 years now. I run it on a Tablet installed in my Fairing and it has worked flawlessly, I run it along with my GPS and a few other motorcycle utilities. 
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