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| ezrider3 | | Chaac |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 21/01/2010 | | Posts | : | 505 | | Location | : | Maryland, United States |
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| | Posted : 31 May 2010 - 11:04 Post title : Long Tors | | | Any sound clips of the Tors?
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| Birdy68 | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,352 | | Location | : | Bad Zurzach, Aargau, Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 31 May 2010 - 15:23 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: ezrider3) | |
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| NCBirdMan | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 18/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 71 | | Location | : | North Carolina, United States |
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| | Posted : 02 Jun 2010 - 20:45 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: Birdy68) | | | There's also another Youtube set that has a 1600 w. stock pipes, TORs w. cat. and Tors w.o. cat.
I watched your vids last night Birdy. Love the giddy laugh when it fires up after the BB install.
My TORs just got in today!! Plan on picking them up tomorrow, installing tomorrow night and hopefully pay a crummy $35 for the TOR download Friday.
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| ezrider3 | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 21/01/2010 | | Posts | : | 505 | | Location | : | Maryland, United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Jun 2010 - 10:24 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: NCBirdMan) | | |
NCBirdMan wrote:
There's also another Youtube set that has a 1600 w. stock pipes, TORs w. cat. and Tors w.o. cat.
I watched your vids last night Birdy. Love the giddy laugh when it fires up after the BB install.
My TORs just got in today!! Plan on picking them up tomorrow, installing tomorrow night and hopefully pay a crummy $35 for the TOR download Friday. |
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Crummy $35??? My dealer charges $90!
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| NCBirdMan | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 71 | | Location | : | North Carolina, United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Jun 2010 - 10:54 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: ezrider3) | | |
ezrider3 wrote:
Crummy $35??? My dealer charges $90! |
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Check around. Hopefully that's not your only dealer. I wound up getting one done at the new dealer in town for $37.50. Had little to no popping on decel before tune, now it's there.
Seems a little more peppy in 2nd and at highway speeds - a little more. Not sure now but think I might like my original tune better. Must ride far and hard to see how I really like it. Idle went from a steady 900-1000prm to around 1300 at first start, then drops to 1000-1100 with the new tune. Quizzed me all over the place about the pipes. Umm, you guys are supposed to be doing Trumphs now, look at the etched part number on the freakin' pipe - Harley dealership noobs.
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| Gonzo | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2010 | | Posts | : | 643 | | Location | : | Sydney, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 05 Jun 2010 - 13:23 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: ezrider3) | | | Hey EZRider,
If you can get our hands on a set of TORs, I'd recommend it. They have the best *balance* of sound levels you could want.
Fairly mild on idle - a little louder than stock, with no "tinnyness" or "fluff".
On medium acceleration - Deep rumble that gets louder the higher the RPM goes up. Nice cadence.
On hard acceleration - It really growls/roars with an aggressive/racey rumble that turns heads to see what sort of hot rod is gunning it. :)
On cruising at say 65mph (100kph) - Again, fairly much like stock but mildly louder deep rumble. Will not annoy or tire you and you will be able to hear your iPod or your Mrs talk over your shoulder.
On deceleration - Well I am currently running on the stock tune, so after some faster running, decelerating produces some pops and backfire rumbles which I don't particularly like, but they are still not excessively loud or embarrassing. I'm hoping a different Tune will fix this.
Performance - Hard to say - the mind plays tricks on you - but it does feel like I can get "up to speed" easier/quicker than with stock pipes. But one thing I *think* I have felt is the smoothing out of the throttle response at low rpm. I used to ride a Carbied bike which ran like a dream, in spite of how many mods I had put into the engine. But whenever I managed a ride on an EFI bike, I found the throttle response at low rpm to be sort of "binary" - either decelerating, or cracking fast. There didn't seem to be a nice even transition from easing off the throttle and back on, making for a bit of a "jerky" ride. And I found that again with the Bird - except now with the TORs on, it seems a lot smoother. Maybe because I don't have the TORs tune, and hence it might be low in hp/tq initially on throttle, and hence it smooths into the power better than the stock "go hell for leather at 1000 rpm". I really do hope loading the TORs tune does not "fix" this. If it does, I will be getting a TuneBoy and making sure I de-tune it for the first couple of degrees on throttle.
Do they make the Bird sound like a Harley? No. The Bird has it's own note that I feel is racier than a HD, which is the sound I like. I'm not the "take-it-easy and cruise around" kind of guy - I like to give the bike some stick and make it roar like a drag-racing v8. But then when I am at my desired speed on the highway, I don't want to be annoyed or deafened by an overly loud set of pipes.
I still need to load the TORs tune - it stalled on idle once which *never* happened with the stock pipes - but I am stoked with these pipes. Oh, and I love the look of them. Can't beat the stock pipes for styling. :)
NOTE: I still have the cat and don't think I will be removing it in a hurry - not with the TORs on. I have followed two bikes, both with TORs, one without the cat. Catless, I think the TORs sound terrible, with harsh "clapping" added to the roar on acceleration, and shocking backfiring and "fluffing" on deceleration.
Gonzo
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Mods: locking gas cap; ISO-Wings for passenger; engine guards; dresser bars; Arlen Ness LED licence plate holder, rego tube and coloured number plate; long TORs; Pilot highway pegs w/ Magnum clamps; windshield; lower deflectors (customised); ISO grips; HD switch-block; Hardstreet Slimbags (colour matched); Corbin dual tour seat; Luggage rack & bag.
Todo: Various chroming of hand-made parts, Convex mirrors
Wishlist: Mini-ape handlebars, Hard clearcoat over tank
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| ezrider3 | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 21/01/2010 | | Posts | : | 505 | | Location | : | Maryland, United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Jun 2010 - 12:35 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: Gonzo) | | | WOW! Great write up. Thanks for the info. Now when you say, and don't laugh, TORS do you mean what Triumph now calls the
MUFFLER KIT , LONG part # A9618052?
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| daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Jun 2010 - 14:55 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: Gonzo) | | |
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Thats odd because when i put tors on with the stock tune the bike ran so bad it was VERY noticable weaker than a totally stock setup.In cact, that was by far the most noticable change in the bike's performance in either direction to date. The tune brought it back, but to this day i'm not really 100% sure what difference tors make. But one thing i AM sure of is the bike runs better with the tors tune than the stock tune regardless of whether you have TORs or stock pipes. at least on mine thats the case.
As to the difference between TORs and stock pipes, i have changed my mind on this a few times having swapped back and fourth between them several times. At this point my belief is that the stock pipes give better low torque and the TORs better higher RPM roll-on power. It's all very subtle tho, and at this point i'm back to using the stocks because i prefer a quiet bike if i'm not gaining enough power to make putting up with the loudness worthwhile. And i prefer the slightly better low end that i seems like it has, even tho it could be placebo.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| Gonzo | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2010 | | Posts | : | 643 | | Location | : | Sydney, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 22 Jun 2010 - 04:16 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: ezrider3) | | |
ezrider3 wrote:
WOW! Great write up. Thanks for the info. Now when you say, and don't laugh, TORS do you mean what Triumph now calls the
MUFFLER KIT , LONG part # A9618052?
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Yes, those are the one. Don't worry, I didn't know wtf people meant when they kept using the acronym "TOR" but it was eventually explained as "Triumph Off Road" pipes since they are supposedly not legal to be used on public roads. :)
Gonzo
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Mods: locking gas cap; ISO-Wings for passenger; engine guards; dresser bars; Arlen Ness LED licence plate holder, rego tube and coloured number plate; long TORs; Pilot highway pegs w/ Magnum clamps; windshield; lower deflectors (customised); ISO grips; HD switch-block; Hardstreet Slimbags (colour matched); Corbin dual tour seat; Luggage rack & bag.
Todo: Various chroming of hand-made parts, Convex mirrors
Wishlist: Mini-ape handlebars, Hard clearcoat over tank
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| Gonzo | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2010 | | Posts | : | 643 | | Location | : | Sydney, NSW, Australia |
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| | Posted : 22 Jun 2010 - 04:37 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: daz) | | | Well I got the TORs tune loaded on today (for the rip-off price of $55 for 5 mins work) and to be honest I can't feel much of any difference. The pipes still backfire/pop on deceleration which is (only a little) annoying. It feels ever so slightly more responsive on initial throttle, but quite frankly I kind of liked it to be NOT so binary on low throttle so not sure if I have improved anything other than my dealers bank balance. :\
But from my experince with getting the most out of an engine, there are three main ingredients that have to be BALANCED to get the engine screaming:
Air Intake
Fuel Intake
Exhaust Output
Air Intake = A clear air path to cold air with minimal filtering is ideal. K&N filters I find are best and anything you can do to minimise the air having to turn and twist and bottle up is preferable.
Fuel Intake = On a carbie bike, that means jetting. On our bike, that means Tunes that increase the firing rate of the injecters. A lot easier than pulling open a carbie! :)
Exhaust Output = This is a tough one, as the simplest option (an open pipe with no baffles) is not only rediculously noisey (all show) but there is no backpressure for the motor to run properly (so no go). Good exhausts are a science unto themselves and what may work on one bike wont always work on another. And then there is always the balance of how much noise you want to put up with for the performance you will gain. I had an S&S Pro Pipe on my 1100 which sounded great (very racey) looked good, and really delivered on performance. But in reality it was too loud a pipe to be comfortably cruising all day on.
I like the Trumpy long TORs are are a good *balance* of sound: Loud on fast take-offs but fairly mild on cruising and idle. Whether they deliver on performance or not is another matter, as to be honest I have not put the bike on a Dyno to compare ("seat of the pants" Dyno are so much based on *hope* that your money spent is reaping rewards :), and I have not done the other important thing which is Air Intake.
Gonzo
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Mods: locking gas cap; ISO-Wings for passenger; engine guards; dresser bars; Arlen Ness LED licence plate holder, rego tube and coloured number plate; long TORs; Pilot highway pegs w/ Magnum clamps; windshield; lower deflectors (customised); ISO grips; HD switch-block; Hardstreet Slimbags (colour matched); Corbin dual tour seat; Luggage rack & bag.
Todo: Various chroming of hand-made parts, Convex mirrors
Wishlist: Mini-ape handlebars, Hard clearcoat over tank
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 22 Jun 2010 - 19:41 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: Gonzo) | | | I agree gonzo....very little difference if any. I think, and i say THINK because i'm nopt sure, but i think they give a tiny bit better top while losing a tiny bit of low torque. I have a theory as to why. Notice that the bike has been designed to work fine as a 1700 with hotter cams and more displacement. If the stock pipes were restrictive to any serious degree, they wouldn't have been able to sell the BB kit and the now special edition bikes with 1700 installed and make it stronger and STILL use the stock pipes and still meet emission regulations. the only way that could happen would be to make the stock pipes not so restrictive. the stock pipes have chambered baffles, true, but the tors have a smaller opening at the rear ! My guess is they aren't too far apart in amount of restriction, and that the stockers are open enough so that you can keep them and still do air mods and tuning and get some nice gains. I put my stocks back on because i prefer quiet, and i intend to do the seat mod and cams tune it with a TB or use the BB tune. And the pipes will i'm sure be fine.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| HDnoMORE | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 21 | | Location | : | Virginia Beach, VA, United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Jul 2010 - 13:16 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: ezrider3) | | | No sound clip, but I will say they sound great. Not too loud and not to low. At low RPM's they sound stock. But, once your throttle goes above 3000 they come to life. The best part is they come out the back of the bike so you dont hear them too much on the freeway. Im pleased with mine. Pictures and video to come shortly.
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| ezrider3 | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 21/01/2010 | | Posts | : | 505 | | Location | : | Maryland, United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Jul 2010 - 13:51 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: HDnoMORE) | | |
HDnoMORE wrote:
No sound clip, but I will say they sound great. Not too loud and not to low. At low RPM's they sound stock. But, once your throttle goes above 3000 they come to life. The best part is they come out the back of the bike so you dont hear them too much on the freeway. Im pleased with mine. |
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Yep, ditto what he said! Love mine!
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| HDnoMORE | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 21 | | Location | : | Virginia Beach, VA, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Aug 2010 - 18:30 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: ezrider3) | | | I dont know about you but, I like to be comfortable when riding. My pipes on my Harley were so loud I had to use ear plugs. they sounded good cruising around town, but not for long trips. "Loud pipes do indeed save lives, but in NY, they also get you tickets!!!!"
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| ezrider3 | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 21/01/2010 | | Posts | : | 505 | | Location | : | Maryland, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Aug 2010 - 18:39 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: HDnoMORE) | | |
HDnoMORE wrote:
I dont know about you but, I like to be comfortable when riding. My pipes on my Harley were so loud I had to use ear plugs. they sounded good cruising around town, but not for long trips. "Loud pipes do indeed save lives, but in NY, they also get you tickets!!!!" |
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I really don't understand the saying "Loud Pipes Save Lives". I have had both LOUD pipes on bikes and quiet pipes on bikes.
As you travel down the road the sound is ALWAYS behind you so if some car at an intersection ahead of you with windows
up pulls out they would never hear you until your there. I don't know where that saying came from but it is untrue for the most part.+
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| Thatch | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Aug 2010 - 19:27 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: ezrider3) | | | I think it comes into play most on multi-lane roads where cars are want to pull into lanes without checking mirrors. In this instance I will say that a louder bike can increase awareness and therefore offer some level of added protection. In most other situations the added volume does nothing. However, the 'loud pipes save lives' line is most promoted by those without shirts, in leather vests and novelty helmets so I give it as much credence as I do any riding advice from the same crowd. Generally it's an excuse to be obnoxious.
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| ezrider3 | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 21/01/2010 | | Posts | : | 505 | | Location | : | Maryland, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Aug 2010 - 20:10 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: Thatch) | | |
Thatch wrote:
I think it comes into play most on multi-lane roads where cars are want to pull into lanes without checking mirrors. In this instance I will say that a louder bike can increase awareness and therefore offer some level of added protection. |
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With that, I agree The rest agree also. it's just BS
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| zolti | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 04 Aug 2010 - 07:16 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: ezrider3) | | | i wonder if adding a simple flashing light to your helmet would be more effective at improving drivers awareness than loud pipes?
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| PES | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 03/01/2009 | | Posts | : | 927 | | Location | : | Tulsa, OK, United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Aug 2010 - 12:54 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: ezrider3) | | |
ezrider3 wrote:
WOW! Great write up. Thanks for the info. Now when you say, and don't laugh, TORS do you mean what Triumph now calls the
MUFFLER KIT , LONG part # A9618052?
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Get them from here: ww.madass.com you will save almost $70.
| "Four wheels move the body. Two wheels move the soul."-author unknown
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| DizzE | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Aug 2010 - 14:15 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: zolti) | | | Loud pipes....are cool. I'd run straight pipes if I could, just for the sound and power. But, being on the receiving end, many times in a car, I attest that this sound is not attractive of attention; it is startling, jarringly, heart-poundingly, obnoxious. It raises aggression in me. It hits my lizard brain awareness as arrogant and threatening. It's overwhelming Db sound pressures are omni-directional, especially in urban traffic, as since flight is not possible, fight is the only reaction available to my lizard. Being honest here, I seriously want to do harm for a second when I realize what just happened. I could be cars away.
I'm in the school of thought that TOO loud makes it worse on the road for all. Group rides are out if it's full of loud pipes...gaaaagh.
(I'm sure many disagree, so no worries)
I think light attracts the lower brain much better than loud pipes. Motion though, is the main survival key.
Flashing lights~!
MotoLights soon. I have a tail light modulator coming today from Fast Eddy. My thought is to have a controller and some lightstrips under the tank that light up the bike for lane changing at night. I saw that once on a dark freeway maze. Very cool. Hey, maybe a little sign that can flash a phrase:
"Stay back! My other toy is a Shotgun." 
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Aug 2010 - 14:31 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: DizzE) | | | Yank the headers clean off the bike and you're not going to end up with a bike remotely as loud as a straight pipe Harley. The water cooled engine just won't produce the same kind of obnoxious 'look at me I'm the worlds biggest twat' sort of sound that an air cooled twin will. So, outside of strapping some peavey speakers to the bike like saddle bags and pumping in recorded hippopotamus farts on a loop from your ipod you just won't be able to mimic the full asshatery of the sea of screaming land pirates with a bike like the tbird.....
thank god for that....
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| DizzE | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Aug 2010 - 14:45 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: Thatch) | | | Here's a memory from my lost youth, ZAP comics, The Fabulous, Furry, Freek Brothers.
Speakers on a motorcycle... and the sound?
"18 wheeler, full of hogs, locking it's brakes at 70 mph."
I can still see the drawing in my head. The hogs were frightened and pissed off.
Oh, will these flashbacks never end?
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 05 Aug 2010 - 15:03 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: Thatch) | | |
Thatch wrote:
Yank the headers clean off the bike and you're not going to end up with a bike remotely as loud as a straight pipe Harley. The water cooled engine just won't produce the same kind of obnoxious 'look at me I'm the worlds biggest twat' sort of sound that an air cooled twin will. So, outside of strapping some peavey speakers to the bike like saddle bags and pumping in recorded hippopotamus farts on a loop from your ipod you just won't be able to mimic the full asshatery of the sea of screaming land pirates with a bike like the tbird.....
thank god for that....
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Those HD's do sound like a loud sack of sh*t when the pipes are cut too short. Not rythmic in any way at all. At least with the shorties on a Bird , it's fairly quiet and then full on roar when the buisiness bit happens.
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| HDnoMORE | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 21 | | Location | : | Virginia Beach, VA, United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Aug 2010 - 00:23 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: mat1600) | | | Haha, same with the long TOR's. As soon as you get on the bike, she comes to life. Sounds great!!! NOt too loud and not too quiet. My Harley was just downright obnoxious. Its nice not having to carry a pocketfool of earplugs everywhere u go.
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| daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,709 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Aug 2010 - 00:33 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: HDnoMORE) | | | Actually, i use plugs always just because of the wind noise, not the bike. I used to ride w/o them, but now i can't understand how i did !
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| large | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 22/08/2009 | | Posts | : | 168 | | Location | : | North Tazewell, virgina, United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Aug 2010 - 01:13 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: daz) | | | when I had my cat off I had to fire her up shes louder than my buick 455 with just manifolds not a much poping as I thought there would have been was tempted to take her for a spin
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| EnGage | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Aug 2010 - 18:20 Post title : Re: Long Tors (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
Actually, i use plugs always just because of the wind noise, not the bike. I used to ride w/o them, but now i can't understand how i did ! |
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+1 on that. Even the wind noise when riding is high enough to cause hearing issues over time.
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