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| Gary | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 21/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 339 | | Location | : | Herford/used to be london, Germany |
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| | Posted : 03 Feb 2013 - 17:46 Post title : software updates | | | Does anybody know how often Triumph updates their software and when was the last one for the Thunderbird Storm?
| Big Bohr 1700 Thunderbird and now Storm owner
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| fab | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,515 | | Location | : | wyong, nsw, Australia |
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| | Posted : 03 Feb 2013 - 21:22 Post title : Re: software updates (Re: Gary) | | | just be careful getting new updates or even letting the dealer plug his diagnoses tool into your bike as it will lock out your ecu from down loading any non triumph tunes.
this is happening as of now as i was at the shop last week when a 2010 tbird was trailered in with a locked out ecu.
he tried to down load a tune into his bike after he had a service that week and bike wouldn't start or do anything.
the solution was to replace ecu
maybe there will be a way around this in the near future but i dont think anyone has one yet.
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Remember, soft cocks hang around all life long, hard ones come and go
ahh f**k im deep
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| TBRider | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 21/10/2011 | | Posts | : | 834 | | Location | : | Foothills, The Mountains, United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Feb 2013 - 00:17 Post title : Re: software updates (Re: fab) | | | +1 on What Fab has said! The only updates that will happen from now on, will be inclusive of the new security software. The current tunes offered by Triumph, are still the same and haven't changed.
Make sure if your out of warranty, tell them not to touch your ECU or upload anything. Confirmed by my Triumph Technician and a Triumph Tech from, PJ's Triumph Ducati. If you're not out of warranty, you can't stop them from uploading the security software, unless you don't take it in for service. I don't suggest this either.
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| Leethal | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,423 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 04 Feb 2013 - 00:47 Post title : Re: software updates (Re: fab) | | | Thanks for the heads up fellas, don't intend taking mine back for servicing, but you never know what's in the future.
| Experience is something you get just after you needed it 
1600,Foran Razorbacks, Meerkat bypass, Dyno tune, real headlight,plenty of chrome,switchblade pegs, Hagon Nitro shocks & Ikon progressive fork springs etc. Scorpion Western Low handlebars. PH adjustable fork caps.
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| RatDog | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 09/12/2012 | | Posts | : | 516 | | Location | : | Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Feb 2013 - 02:55 Post title : Re: software updates (Re: Leethal) | | | No intention of ever loading a custom tune here... but have to say on principle this policy just sucks! I am sure they think they have a good rationale but I say let owners do what they like. After all we've paid good money for these machines plain and simple. Load a custom tune = void warranty would be ok with me - but shutting the thing down seems to be way more than over the top to my ears. I object! Get over yourselves Triumph! Not sure about the rest of you - but I will definitely be saying something about it to my local dealers next time I am in.
| Paul
2012 Triumph Thunderbird Storm ABS (stealthy and fastest matte black!)
Previous Bikes:
2001 Suzuki Bandit GSF1200S
1981 Yamaha SECA XJ-750
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| cnas122 | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 17/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 85 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Feb 2013 - 04:40 Post title : Re: software updates (Re: RatDog) | | | So there is confirmation that they are locking out ECU's on the Thunderbirds, and not just putting the locked ECU's on other/new Triumph models?
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| wal | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 19/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 142 | | Location | : | WA, Australia |
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| | Posted : 04 Feb 2013 - 13:46 Post title : Re: software updates (Re: fab) | | | I'm 600k's short of the 20,000k service with a 500k ride to the nearest dealer and my warranty runs out at the end of next month,I've been very good and have not fiddled with any thing that I didn't have to on the bike and never the ECU (although the temptation from reading some of the other members posts has been hard to resist ) but I want to have a play at the end of 'next month. It would be a bit sad if they bung a lock on the ECU on me this late in the game.
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| TBRider | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 21/10/2011 | | Posts | : | 834 | | Location | : | Foothills, The Mountains, United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Feb 2013 - 17:12 Post title : Re: software updates (Re: RatDog) | | | Why, they're doing what every manufacture has been doing to protect themselves. 99% of all manufactures both automotive and motorcycle have added security software to their ECU's for years. I've talked to our regional manager, who I know personally at length and the number of warranty claims due to ECU tampering have tripled in the last two years. It cost not only Triumph but both you and I overall in the purchase price of the motorcycles and accessories. They have to make it up somewhere to remain solvent. They aren't the big 4, nor do they have the sales quota. I can understand their solution.
Also, if you do wish to modify the ECU it can be done safely with a Power Commander & Auto Tune. This is permitted due to their collaboration with the motorcycle manufactures and without modifying the ECU itself. It seems to provide as good or better results in most cases. Unplug the PC and it reverts to the OEM ECU tune.
Before you get your self in a twist, the dealers are not responsible and can't do anything about it. So it's wasted words. I would simply suggest you inform your dealer and service manager, "you don't want your ECU updated or uploaded for any reason and can connect for diagnostics only". Then, make sure they put it on the service worksheet form in big bold letters. They will have to connect to it but you can limit it to just diagnostics.
Honestly I don't like it much either but I can't do anything about it personally. A good hacker will circumvent the security updates eventually. Me, I'll continue to use the Power Commander/Auto Tune, be happy with the results and at the same time keep my dealer happy.
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| daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Feb 2013 - 17:29 Post title : Re: software updates (Re: TBRider) | | | Actually Jeff, the power commander doesn't change anything to the ECU or map you're using. It just allows the ECU and whatever map is use to do it's thing as always, but it then takes whatever fueling the ECU is implementing and adds or subtracts fuel to produce it's own fueling after the fact. It's generally referred to a piggybacking. So whether or not the company sanctions it, it doesn't even matter because it won't alter anything and the ECU has no idea anything is going on other than the norm.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| intimidator32 | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2012 | | Posts | : | 913 | | Location | : | lexington, ky, United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Feb 2013 - 17:31 Post title : Re: software updates (Re: wal) | | |
wal wrote:
I'm 600k's short of the 20,000k service with a 500k ride to the nearest dealer and my warranty runs out at the end of next month,I've been very good and have not fiddled with any thing that I didn't have to on the bike and never the ECU (although the temptation from reading some of the other members posts has been hard to resist ) but I want to have a play at the end of 'next month. It would be a bit sad if they bung a lock on the ECU on me this late in the game. |
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wal, if i were you and my warranty was about to end i'd change my own oil and if i had to have the dealer do something i would do as tbrider suggest and get it in writing that the ecu is not to be tampered with, unless you have some kind of light on i dont see any point of them even running diagnostic on it.
| currently on a slow Harley but will have another Triumph eventually 
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| TBRider | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 21/10/2011 | | Posts | : | 834 | | Location | : | Foothills, The Mountains, United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Feb 2013 - 17:43 Post title : Re: software updates (Re: daz) | | | Thanks Daz, I'm aware of that. It modifies the signal from the ECU and back. They have a good relationship with dealers and manufactures because of how it works. Won't void a warranty and the dealers will install, upload maps and tune them for you if they have a dyno. So, it's a alternative to locking up your ECU and still being able to tune the bike.
Most people are under the impression you have to tune the PC on the dyno. This isn't true. There are tested downloadable maps available for the 1600 & 1700, on the web site. If you want to get the optimum from your motor, then dyno tuning is suggested. The Auto Tune is akin to a rolling dyno and works well. Yes there is a higher price involved with the PC & AT but it just depends what you want in the end.
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| mad_angler1 | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 18/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 511 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 26 Mar 2013 - 10:27 Post title : Re: software updates (Re: TBRider) | | | can some one confirm for me that Triumph are locking existing ECU's of all models after the latest tune download ?
as far as i was aware only models fitted with the new type ECU were locked and would lock down and completely shut the bike down.
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