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| | | cnas122 | | Set |  | | Reg. Date | : | 17/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 85 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Jan 2013 - 03:02 Post title : I want Cams....cams, cams, cams (My name is Campbell) :) | | | People please.....find me some CAMS!!! I want my Rocket TBird. Surely there is someone in the US willing to give it a go. Man that would be a bad assssssss upgrade. I don't want drag bike power....but I do want a setup like those bros in Australia that Tuneboy set up.
For this type of thing, does he need to build with the bike, or can he build separately, ship to me, and then I find a good tuner in the states to make it run????
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Jan 2013 - 05:22 Post title : Re: I want Cams....cams, cams, cams (My name is Campbell) :) (Re: cnas122) | | | I would talk to one of the aussie guys like thunderrat who've had cams made for them over there. If you can get the info you need you should be able to buy what you need. But you will have to do your homework...talk to those guys, get the contact info, etc. Basically what a few of them did is get the 1700 kit, have thier old 1600 cams re-profiled, cat removal and pipes, then a tunebot tune. Since you can't get tuneboy to dyno your bike, the first thing i would do is contact wayne, the guy who owns tuneboy. Ask him if you buy a tuneboy key (about $500) will he get you that tune those guys are using. I don't think they are posted on the TB site. So you need to verify that can happen, then find the contact to the guys who profiled the cams and see if you can have them make the same set from your 1600 cams, or if you don't have them buy some. Lots of use have 1700 kits so we have our old cams. If you have a storm thats the way to go. If not, get the kit installed then send off the 1600 cams. But this is going to cost you a fortune, and thats no exaggeration. Especially if you have a 1600 now.
But thats the one way i can see to do this aside from bringing your bike to someone like carpenter. And if they don't already have cams, it's gonna also be very expensive. Any way you look at it i believe you're looking at a minimum of a couple grand, and thats very unlikely. More likely would be 4 or 5k. But if you gotta have that kind of power it's expensive. I'll tell you this tho, with a 1700 and cat removed/pipes/filter, and the dizze tune or the one i modded from his tune, it's no rocket II but it DOES go like a mutha. WAY more than a 1700 with pipes and TORs tune. Feels like it's went up to another league, but just more pf the same, if you know what i mean.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | intimidator32 | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2012 | | Posts | : | 913 | | Location | : | lexington, ky, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Jan 2013 - 11:58 Post title : Re: I want Cams....cams, cams, cams (My name is Campbell) :) (Re: cnas122) | | | i wish triumphusa made a performance kit for the 1600 like they do for the america/speedmaster (forged flat-top pistons and new aggressive cams) i hope thats in the future when theres enough birds out there to make it worth while. i encourage everyone i know who rides to test ride a bird so i'm doing my part
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| | | Thatch | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Jan 2013 - 14:11 Post title : Re: I want Cams....cams, cams, cams (My name is Campbell) :) (Re: intimidator32) | | | They were working on one, testing on their salt flat tbird. That project went a bit pear shaped so I'm not sure where things stand either on another salt run or in production versions of the mods.
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| | | intimidator32 | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2012 | | Posts | : | 913 | | Location | : | lexington, ky, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Jan 2013 - 17:48 Post title : Re: I want Cams....cams, cams, cams (My name is Campbell) :) (Re: Thatch) | | | yea thatch, i heard or read somewhere that the rocket3 bike that was built for a salt flat run set some records but didn't here anything about the bird run so it must have not gone that well
| currently on a slow Harley but will have another Triumph eventually
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| | | mag10 | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 05/02/2010 | | Posts | : | 483 | | Location | : | Wisconsin, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Jan 2013 - 18:46 Post title : Re: I want Cams....cams, cams, cams (My name is Campbell) :) (Re: intimidator32) | | |
intimidator32 wrote:
yea thatch, i heard or read somewhere that the rocket3 bike that was built for a salt flat run set some records but didn't here anything about the bird run so it must have not gone that well |
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I read somewhere the bird run did not go well because they did not realize that the factory ECU set up has a speed limiter. As I recall they are set to 120 mph max from the factory. probably okay for safety on the streets but not so good on the salt. Easy to change but only if you know its there!
those little details
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| | | Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Jan 2013 - 18:49 Post title : Re: I want Cams....cams, cams, cams (My name is Campbell) :) (Re: intimidator32) | | | This is the last thing Carlos said here back in August ....
South Bay is our Triumph dealer, the bike is a joint effort between South Bay and TPUSA ( our aftermarket arm).
I'm in charge of TPUSA and we are developing quite a few parts for the T'birds base on this bike.
Cams, head work and possible a piston kit are on the works.
Stay tuned!
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But, as I said, the run didn't go well so I don't know if that effected the schedule for these parts (I'm assuming it did). If I recall correctly the problems at the salt all had to do with silly fiddly bits. (but I also seem to recall one of these simple problems causing a major issue.... hell if I can remember though) Anywho, if someone has a contact with Carlos it would be great to get an update on things.
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| | | cnas122 | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 17/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 85 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Jan 2013 - 20:37 Post title : Re: I want Cams....cams, cams, cams (My name is Campbell) :) (Re: Thatch) | | | I have a Storm, and I have done as much as I can without spending serious money or cutting up the air box. Have short TORS. I'm installing the angle tubes for cat bypass this weekend. Have K&N filter. Have used some of the tunes posted on here. I was glad to see BC may be putting out an airbox mod, which I will probably wait for as opposed to doing "hack" myself.
So really....the next stage is cams. Unlike HD's and other more common bikes (where engine mods are both readily available and common), there is not much else I think I can accomplish without a complete custom engine rebuild (if someone would even be willing to do it).
I'm not looking for a sports bike....I just happen to be a tinkerer who is never satisfied. I always want more! That doesn't mean I will always use more, but it's there if I want it :)
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Jan 2013 - 21:29 Post title : Re: I want Cams....cams, cams, cams (My name is Campbell) :) (Re: Thatch) | | | I was at south bay (dealer i bought mine frome) and talked to the owner, Matt a few days after the run while looking at the bike. I was the one who told him about tuneecu which he had no idea about ! I mentioned it to him after he told me about the bike hitting the speed limiter at the salt. He was stoked to hear about tuneecu and that it can be used to up the limit as high as you want which of course essentially removes it. I was amazed neither he nor TPUSA knew of the limiter, and the crazy thing is they went directly to Triumph for a new ECU that was mapped with different timing for thier setup !then they used a PC to alter fueling. So of course the big question is, why the hell didn't triumph remove the limiter knowing they were taking it to bonneville?!!! That is so beyond me i can't fathom how triumph could miss that. they designed the fucking bike ! In any case, thats most of the story the rest is that the fuel they needed to run the bike for whatever reason was not available at bonneville, so they had to use the wrong fuel which proceeded to melt the pistons. This is all straight from the owner of south bay triumph so you can take it to the bank. I told him how to get and use tuneecu so i assume they've done that . he also said they'd be doing another run at some other event, so assuming they got it back up and running maybe thats already happened. But i rarely go there anymore since i now have a dealer thats not an hour away. So that was the last time i talked to him.
Thatch wrote:
This is the last thing Carlos said here back in August ....
South Bay is our Triumph dealer, the bike is a joint effort between South Bay and TPUSA ( our aftermarket arm).
I'm in charge of TPUSA and we are developing quite a few parts for the T'birds base on this bike.
Cams, head work and possible a piston kit are on the works.
Stay tuned!
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But, as I said, the run didn't go well so I don't know if that effected the schedule for these parts (I'm assuming it did). If I recall correctly the problems at the salt all had to do with silly fiddly bits. (but I also seem to recall one of these simple problems causing a major issue.... hell if I can remember though) Anywho, if someone has a contact with Carlos it would be great to get an update on things. |
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| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | intimidator32 | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2012 | | Posts | : | 913 | | Location | : | lexington, ky, United States |
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| | Posted : 29 Jan 2013 - 23:50 Post title : Re: I want Cams....cams, cams, cams (My name is Campbell) :) (Re: daz) | | | daz, did matt say what kind of fuel it was that melted the piston? this is disappointing but maybe they'll have this sorted out before i hit the valve adjustment mileage, thats when i plan to do the big bore kit but i'd rather do it with some better cams as i'm sure a lot of members here would.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jan 2013 - 00:51 Post title : Re: I want Cams....cams, cams, cams (My name is Campbell) :) (Re: intimidator32) | | |
intimidator32 wrote:
daz, did matt say what kind of fuel it was that melted the piston? this is disappointing but maybe they'll have this sorted out before i hit the valve adjustment mileage, thats when i plan to do the big bore kit but i'd rather do it with some better cams as i'm sure a lot of members here would. |
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No, and as that goes i should elaborate a bit more than i did. If i recall, they forgot to bring thier own fuel. So it wasn't the fault of the event holders. Thats what i *believe* he told me but we talked for a good while so not everything stuck. But i think that was it.
As to when they are available, i dunno. No idea. They told me long ago maybe 3 months or something like that, but hat was a lot longer than 3 months ago. So i guess it's a matter of how often they can get it out for testing. Problem is, tat bike isn't street legal (VERY illegal) so unlike a lot of thier other kits they can't just fit the cams and go for a test run around town. But they did say they will come with a proper tune and i think I was under the impression they were saying no tuning solution would be necassary. So they could load it for you with the triumph tool i guess. But just how realistic that is, whether it can or will happen, and whether they would have several tunes for several setups all remain to be seen. Anyways, thats what i was told long ago. I wouldn't hold my breath.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | Phil626 | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 07/10/2010 | | Posts | : | 28 | | Location | : | Whitby, Ontario, Canada |
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| | Posted : 30 Jan 2013 - 22:52 Post title : Re: I want Cams....cams, cams, cams (My name is Campbell) :) (Re: daz) | | | Saw these on flea bay.... 
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| | | DizzE | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 11 Feb 2013 - 16:39 Post title : Re: I want Cams....cams, cams, cams (My name is Campbell) :) (Re: mag10) | | | mag10 wrote:
intimidator32 wrote:
yea thatch, i heard or read somewhere that the rocket3 bike that was built for a salt flat run set some records but didn't here anything about the bird run so it must have not gone that well |
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I read somewhere the bird run did not go well because they did not realize that the factory ECU set up has a speed limiter. As I recall they are set to 120 mph max from the factory. probably okay for safety on the streets but not so good on the salt. Easy to change but only if you know its there!
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I haven't figured how to do that on TBird. Any clues?
IAC, I think you just take your cams out and have them modified. They add hard weld and then reshape the lobes.
Someone, Fab?, got the lift increased mostly. Got good gains. I would work the ramps into a round instead of flat. That way the valves open faster and stay opened longer. But, not any higher.
It's just different approaches. But, you often start with an exercise called degreeing the cam. It is a process with a probe in the spark hole. You find actual TDC and BDC, compare that to spec. It will be out somewhat.
Then when you grind the cam you put it in spec. So, the bottom is the bottom and the top is the actual top. It''s the frist step in blueprinting, if you intend to do that. You can't put the engine in spec until you find, how far out it is.
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